Way2Broke

"Anticipated classes" is term I would use, but I spoke with someone in the office last week concerning my position in the pool, and know people that have been placed in classes in August. September was just something that was bounced around for information gathering purposes for some other people I know that are in the pool behind me. I would take all this as very "unofficial." I would not make any life changing decisions (as in quitting your job) with this information.

seoceancrosser

I also heard that classes are being scheduled through September. The info came from a 75/76 guy and it sounded like it was just for that fleet. There may or may not be other classes for the other fleets. I just don't know. A word to wise, an application has been sent to the NMB to ask for a release. We expect to hear something in June as far as the status of getting released into a cooling off period. If you have a job now, you might want to take this info into consideration. It might be an ugly Summer 2011 at Omni Air.

Hetman

Some have already quit their jobs for the June 1 class. Are they going to be held hostage by one or both sides?

If the pilots strike, or if Omni initiates a lockout but continues training, will the people in ground school face the choice of being scabs for attending class or being fired for not attending? Not that scabbing is actually a choice.

Will these people be included in any back to work agreement? Will the 1224 go "to the mat" for them if it comes down to it?

FindACase™ | AIR LINE PILOTS ASS'N. INTERN. v. U.A.L.

Airline Pilots Association v United Airlines

United States District Court, Northern District of Illinois, E.D.

August 1, 1985

III. CONCLUSION

Based on the foregoing findings of fact and conclusions of law, it is hereby ordered that:

1. The Court declares that United's policies of denying employment and accrued seniority to the Group of 500 pilots and of conducting and attempting to implement the strike-related rebid of pilot positions violate the Railway Labor Act, 45 U.S.C. § 151, et seq.

2. The Court declares that United's policy of paying to fleet-qualified permanent replacement captains and second officers rates of $75,000 and $50,000 per year, respectively, does not violate the Railway Labor Act, 45 U.S.C. § 151, et seq.

3. Judgment is entered in favor of plaintiff and against defendant on plaintiff's claims regarding the Group of 500 pilots and the strike-related rebid of pilot positions.

4. Judgment is entered in favor of defendant and against plaintiff on plaintiff's claim regarding rates of pay for fleet-qualified permanent replacements.

5. Defendant, its officers, agents and employees are hereby:

(a) directed and enjoined to restore the "Group of 500" pilots who elected to respect ALPA picket lines to the status of employees, and to assign them immediately to line pilot service if they completed their training, and otherwise permit them to complete their training without discrimination, and then enter line service, with seniority in all cases accrued from May 17, 1985;

(b) restrained and enjoined from implementing bid awards made to pilots during the pilot strike, or from in any other way preferring nonstrikers for any vacancies that have arisen since the end of the strike or will arise in the future.

6. Pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 52(b), the Court reserves the right to amend the above findings and conclusions or make additional findings and conclusions upon motion of either party made no later than ten days from today and the Court may amend the judgment accordingly.

IT IS SO ORDERED.

NightIP

I highly doubt any instructor would cross the picket line.

By the way, you can't be fired if you're not an employee yet (date of hire is your PC date, not start of groundschool).

HercDriver130

Are Omni newhires not paid during ground school?

NightIP

Yes, training is paid. However, you'll receive a Form 1099 for your time in training, not a W-2.

HercDriver130

So they treat you like contract labor so they can just cut you loose with no strings. Interesting. Certianly are some advantages for them doing that.

dc10pilot

you can be terminated for not meeting training standards in the sim

NightIP

I know. That said, I did receive a 1099 (non-employee compensation) for my time in training.


I don't mean to imply that at all, just stating the facts as they stand. All of my dealings with the training department have been positive; the instructors and check airmen are not management's "axe men."

HercDriver130

I didnt mean that at all. What I mean is that its alot less paper work and less complications if they cut you loose as "a non employee" than if you were fully on the payroll from day one. No unemployment claims, etc.....that is all.