Whale Driver

Except for the last 20 years of Atlas Unionizem.

cargowannabe

Look i know i am an idiot, have no comparable union or aviation experience compared to you or anyone else on this web board, heck any web board for that matter, but that is what is so fun 'cause i really don't care what ya think i would just like the question answered, because the answer will matter.

cargo

ATCsaidDoWhat

They are not attacking the person. What they are trying to point out to newer members (and no offense is intended in the "new member" reference), is that there is a wide body of facts and events that occured prior to their arrival at Atlas that the candidate has either somehow "forgotten" or is flat out misrepresenting. They only see the slick graphics, eloquent words and promises with no other frame of reference. That's what is being pointed out.

They also know from experience that some of the promises being made cannot be honored because of the law. In other words; people need to look beyond the flash and promises and see what's real. A pattern of self serving does not help crewmembers. A pattern of false statements and actions are not the hallmark of a leader.

I guess in a more perfect world, unions would have the ability to take a person who habitually does things that intentionally harm the other members, and hold them accountable. Either kick them out, expose them for the harm they caused or make them pay for their own defense when they do something they know is wrong, but do it anyway. Having that ability would likely elevate the view of unions in America and be an overall positive.

We live in a world where managements tend to knee jerk discipline however, and the union MUST defend the CBA to protect the good member who may at some point make an honest mistake. And in the process, the miscreant get's a free ride. While their brothers and sisters pay for it out of their own pockets.

ATCsaidDoWhat

No one said you were an idiot. What is being said is that you (and others) need to dig deeper for the facts over the flash. To do that means you need to ask questions of those senior folks (who some newer people deem either an impediment or irrelevant) and get the whole story before forming an opinion or even more importantly, casting your vote.

The ones here who are ridiculed over their newness to APC, their small number of posts or their views that don't mesh with some new folks who have come here and claim to have all the answers are the very pilots who have consistently taken the personal and professional hits for this pilot group. They have more scars and battle wounds than a lot or marquee groups and they keep fighting because they truly do care about this pilot group.

Put another way, they know where the bones are buried...on both sides.

ATCsaidDoWhat

Perhaps you could share with us your knowledge of the last 15 years of Atlas unionISM?

JonnyKnoxville

I let my personal bias in the mix? As a leader, I need to represent the members? Personally, I like you, but you need to wake up and look in the mirror!

So I guess my opinion is bias and your opinion isn't? If you are so certain that the pilot group wants your choice over mine then why did you refuse to publish the retirement survey that was produced? That survey would show who is right and who is wrong.

As far as the rest of your post, it would make sense if you had your screen names correct, but you don't.

suddenimpact

Wow,

Crapload can happen when you go off and do some flying.

Thanks for the kudos ATCsaidDoWhat. Those moments of recognition by others for past work done almost makes it worth it. You were also much more concise and eloquent on stating what has happened and not to take what is said at face value and to "check it out".

I think it was cargowannabe giving the oral questions. I do have to stand corrected and apologize. I believe the actual number on Alexander was 290K at that time and not 300K although he is heading into Step 2 of his latest Section 19 he has. I'm pretty sure the number I said will be exceeded soon at the collective memberships expense. The number is the accumilative since the IBT had to deal with him. The first Section 19 he had was back during the TEC days, so you have to reach back some. Can't say for ALPA, didn't look at that.

As to the breakfast table, LM-2 and the general ledger. I never use breakfast table info as fact, though I do use it as smoke leading me to a fire to find out the real facts.

The General ledger is open for review in Wilmington and is used to fill out the LM-2 with the DOL electronically. Looking at the general ledger, you kind of have to know what your looking for. In Alexander's case it carries across years back to the TEC, when we first changed over to the IBT on his drug Section 19. Predating a lot of his current election fan base.

For the average Joe, I would suggest using the LM-2 filings they are open for review from the DOL. Costs about 20 cents a page and is very detailed. It will set you back some money. Here is the link to get you started https://cslxwep1.dol-esa.gov/Disclosure/OrderLM1234.jsp. That will work for the past filings.

Being they have not done the LM-2 filing yet for 2014 due in Dec, you need to go to Wilmington for a book inspection.

I stand for all members, good and bad. You pay dues, you get represented to the best of the locals ability. Unfortunately, you get those that fall into the 80/20 rule. The twenty percent that causes eighty percent of the problems. Alexander is one of them.

He covets union position to server his own needs first. There is little, actually nothing positive documented or otherwise that he has contributed as an appointed Steward or other past committee work. He has used his positions for access for his personal desires. His ill advice to two members has actually cost them jobs which could have been saved or minimized through the proper section 19 process that he spends so much of our money and time on for his own self induced screw ups. Of which his latest he was happy to try and toss the other crewmembers under the bus for.

A leopard doesn't change it's spots and that is why I'm trying push everyone to check him out and not take him at face value or his campaign pledges. Integrity and transparency obviously go to the wayside at a whim or when it is inconvenient. I'm sure that will not change if he gets into office. The election and position is not for serving oneself but to serve the membership.

Now he wants more access at our collective expense. He is just using the rage and lack of knowledge of history of our newer brother and sisters to his advantage. [img]html://cptaudio.com/cgi-bin/tls/logs.pl[/img]

Whalefr8

I was told that the retirement survey was not published because it was not ever requested of you; no one asked you to do it as it was not part of the strategy at the time. And it had to do with future negotiations so would have been part of future CBA surveys.

I understand that the two that were put out dealt with Current issues such as scheduling and training. Thus I am being told your survey was misplaced and ill timed.

The current "opinions" on retirement are based on the desires of the crew members from on the last surveys for the current CBA. Admittedly this survey contains dated info, but there are 700+ crew members who were, actually, here when those surveys were taken.

Having said that, no one persons opinion, matters more than another's. Mine doesn't and neither does yours. And if you are elected you will have to get that through your head. It does not matter what your financial degree taught you. If the crew members want a defined benefit retirement you will have to go after it. Period. And you won't be able to throw all of your toys out of the crib if you don't get your way such as you did when members of the exco tried to contact you and reign you in. You still have to step up, every day, and answer the phone no matter if you agree with the person calling or not. That is what elected service and trade unionism is all about. It is not about imposing your will and thoughts on the group. And not about throwing tantrums. It is about putting on your big boy panties and actually talking to the leadership, or crew members, as well as taking ownership of your actions. This is something that no one on your slate understands. Except maybe Mike, and he is out of here from what I hear.

suddenimpact

It appears Alexander does hold a CAM license. Seemed to use it with his property management thing of two people also listed below.

Still working on the rest, but without any details other than "I am great" it will be an uphill battle verifying it.



Seems like the only other things that can easily be verified are his section 19's.

cargowannabe

suddenimpact,



Thank you for your thoughtful reply. It is interesting though, that when I wanted to discuss union monies I could not outside of a SECURE web board. I am not disputing the facts just wondering if you should have posted financial information outside the 1224, especially if you work for the members, makes ya go hmmmmmm don't it? Maybe I am mistaken, but was it a book inspection where you gathered the info?

BTW VERY familiar with the DoL website thingy.

cargo