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Old 10-23-2015, 03:38 AM   #31  
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Not glad when these types of outfits open up for guys in Miami who keep lowering the bar and accepting crap wages just to stay in Miami.
What did you think made "Corrosion Corner" famous? Its been going on forever.
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Not glad when these types of outfits open up for guys in Miami who keep lowering the bar and accepting crap wages just to stay in Miami. It's the bottom feeder of the country as a whole! Miami will never change.
Bah ha-ha-haÖ
Thatís right you, you...bottom feeding, crap wage accepters. DL canít get a TA passed because of all those Cuba charters and Panther (Broward county incidentally) games. Quit your jobs and vacate vice city right now!
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Not glad when these types of outfits open up for guys in Miami who keep lowering the bar and accepting crap wages just to stay in Miami. It's the bottom feeder of the country as a whole! Miami will never change.
Yes you Right , let's compare it (Eastern) to bottom feeder from Miami like Atlas Air (767 pay), Centurion Air, the New 121., Miami Air, Florida west, Amerijet. Eastern is the highest pay, even if you look at Atlas air (767)and compare It, Eastern Pays more with better benefits. Now let's compare it ( Eastern ) to other companies bottom feeders also and by the way you didn't mention them because they do not belong to Miami like Sun country, Frontier, Allegiant Air, and Spirit,( considered major airlines),Eastern Pays more and better benefits, now let's compare it to other bottom feeders charter operators not from Miami, like omni, world, sky king, Xtra.
By the way most pilots at one point or other came to Miami to work or even get a type rating from a bottom feeder training facility.
I am glad that Eastern open up, with better pay among everything else and is providing jobs to people from Miami and others not from miami.

1 year 2 year 3 year 4 year 5 year
Capt $110.00 $115.00 $125.00 $140.00 $146.00
FO $42.00 $70.00 $75.50 $82.00 $90.20

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For all hours compensated for pay purposes in a month above eighty five (85) hours, the pilots shall receive 125 % .
Check Airmen: when service as a check airmen, the pilot will be paid 10 %. On top of regular pay.
Inial training the pilot shall receive $2500.00 per month plus lodging during the pilotís initial training.
Day off Pay: the pilot Working On a scheduled day off will be paid at 150% of the Pilos regurla pay.
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Welp, good luck with that.
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Sky King and Xtra are both in Miami now under Aresale.
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Yes you Right , let's compare it (Eastern) to bottom feeder from Miami like Atlas Air (767 pay), Centurion Air, the New 121., Miami Air, Florida west, Amerijet. Eastern is the highest pay, even if you look at Atlas air (767)and compare It, Eastern Pays more with better benefits. Now let's compare it ( Eastern ) to other companies bottom feeders also and by the way you didn't mention them because they do not belong to Miami like Sun country, Frontier, Allegiant Air, and Spirit,( considered major airlines),Eastern Pays more and better benefits, now let's compare it to other bottom feeders charter operators not from Miami, like omni, world, sky king, Xtra.
By the way most pilots at one point or other came to Miami to work or even get a type rating from a bottom feeder training facility.
I am glad that Eastern open up, with better pay among everything else and is providing jobs to people from Miami and others not from miami.

1 year 2 year 3 year 4 year 5 year
Capt $110.00 $115.00 $125.00 $140.00 $146.00
FO $42.00 $70.00 $75.50 $82.00 $90.20

70 hours guarantee.
For all hours compensated for pay purposes in a month above eighty five (85) hours, the pilots shall receive 125 % .
Check Airmen: when service as a check airmen, the pilot will be paid 10 %. On top of regular pay.
Inial training the pilot shall receive $2500.00 per month plus lodging during the pilotís initial training.
Day off Pay: the pilot Working On a scheduled day off will be paid at 150% of the Pilos regurla pay.
Cass, known crew, global entry, 401k, 14 days off, Hotel of choice Hilton (and yes with breakfast included.).
Explain how this is more pay than Atlas 767.
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And as a matter of fact, it's less than Spirit and Allegiant as well!

And World? World isn't even an airline anymore! (Although it was a great place to work).
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And World? World isn't even an airline anymore! (Although it was a great place to work).
I'm sure he's referring to World Atlantic.

Yes, Eastern is paying better than the normal MIA crowd.
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Explain how this is more pay than Atlas 767.
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And as a matter of fact, it's less than Spirit and Allegiant as well!

And World? World isn't even an airline anymore! (Although it was a great place to work).
Wow VF32tomcat is right. Look at Atlas air B767 fifth year, it only pays $146 an hour times 62 guarantee, Eastern is $146 x 70, And look at Spirit fifth year pay $136 x 72. A blind man see best.
Thanks PotatoChip but I see what VF32tomcat is trying to say.
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Wow VF32tomcat is right. Look at Atlas air B767 fifth year, it only pays $146 an hour times 62 guarantee, Eastern is $146 x 70, And look at Spirit fifth year pay $136 x 72. A blind man see best.
Thanks PotatoChip but I see what VF32tomcat is trying to say.
The numbers are fact, no doubting that. However, 5th year CA pay at Eastern is no less fictional than 2nd year 767 CA pay at Atlas, or Delta for that matter, no one is in those pay rates. And even to some extent Spirit, as no one was in those pay rates when the contract was negotiated 5 years ago, though they are now, or at least close at 3rd year captains. It's somewhat comparing apples to oranges. The reality is, no one is making more than $110/hr at Eastern (except perhaps check airman), compared to what the average pay at Atlas, Spirit, or any other airline he listed. To just pick the later years as a comparison when no one is getting that pay doesn't paint a clear image of what people are really earning.

Sure the pay scale is what it is, they clearly ramp up the increases in the later years, but no one is getting them yet, and there's no guarantee that they will make it that long. I hope for their employee's sake they do, but those pay rates are not something the company has to contend with now, other than as a tool to help attract people to work there.

And let's face it, one thing Eastern can't offer is job stability. Regardless of their financial backing, they are a startup, and history hasn't been kind to startups. It may pay greatly to those that take that risk one day (think jetBlue), but it is a risk (think Skybus)!
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The numbers are fact, no doubting that. However, 5th year CA pay at Eastern is no less fictional than 2nd year 767 CA pay at Atlas, or Delta for that matter, no one is in those pay rates. And even to some extent Spirit, as no one was in those pay rates when the contract was negotiated 5 years ago, though they are now, or at least close at 3rd year captains. It's somewhat comparing apples to oranges. The reality is, no one is making more than $110/hr at Eastern (except perhaps check airman), compared to what the average pay at Atlas, Spirit, or any other airline he listed. To just pick the later years as a comparison when no one is getting that pay doesn't paint a clear image of what people are really earning.

Sure the pay scale is what it is, they clearly ramp up the increases in the later years, but no one is getting them yet, and there's no guarantee that they will make it that long. I hope for their employee's sake they do, but those pay rates are not something the company has to contend with now, other than as a tool to help attract people to work there.

And let's face it, one thing Eastern can't offer is job stability. Regardless of their financial backing, they are a startup, and history hasn't been kind to startups. It may pay greatly to those that take that risk one day (think jetBlue), but it is a risk (think Skybus)!
Yes prattfan I completely agreed with you , they have to offer something a little better than the rest to bring people to work for them, for example the first class is getting third year pay. And it is true it is 50 50 chance, it is a risk. But E.W is doing everything he said he was going to do. Hopefully Eastern will grow to be a good company to work for. And so far It is providing career and job opportunities for a group of people that believe they can make a new and functional Eastern.

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