Mesaba is a good company but to tell him it is a good regional and compass is not is not cool
If he would have gotten hired last year at mesaba then he would have decent seniority but now I am sure he would be on reserve for a while

If he came here he would be around 260 and after dec he would probably be around 60 slots from upgrade at worse case mostly like 30 to 40 spots away

CE 750 any word if they offered the jobs

 

I agree 100%.

 

none yet, they've all been at the LAS Flightops job fair.. so I don't think it will happen too soon.

 

I never said Compass is not a good regional. Read carefully before jumping the gun. I said Compass is not the best regional by a long shot. That does not equate to saying Compass is not a good regional.

Your numbers don't add up. Compass is slated to receive 36 E175s MAX. The 18 additional options have NOT been exercised. This means at best Compass will hire additional 80 to 90 pilots from the present roster of around 250 or so. The upgrade has to slow down since no majors are hring right now and not expected to until end of 2008 or early 2009.

 

I agree with you completely don't come to Compass for flow-though. That said your math is a little fuzzy.

Lets assume for a minute that the new Delta keeps flow-through the exact same for Compass and Mesaba and they continue to hire (you'll have to suspend disbelief). Compass has 240 pilots on the seniority list and Mesaba has over 1000. There are some restrictions, but the first 20 pilots each month must be Compass pilots. After that Mesaba pilots (I'm not sure what the limitations are there) then off the street pilots are hired. How long would it take for a new hire at Compass to be hired at new DAL verses a new hire at Mesaba?

The limitations at Compass are only 20 pilots per month can be hired, only half the Captains in a rolling 12 month period may be hired, and you must have been employed for 30 months and be a Captain. I'm not familiar with the limits at Mesaba, though only the number of pilots who flow up can flow down.

If your goal is to get to DAL by getting hired at Compass or Mesaba my advice is to set a different goal. If you think NWA will have mass furloughs I suggest going to Mesaba to protect against furlough. If you think NWA and new Delta will keep flow-though and keep hiring I suggest coming to Compass.

I'm at Compass, but I came here for home base and upgrade in that order. Upgrade is now significantly longer than when I was hired. I doubt I would have left Comair if I now was the first time I could be hired. If I were out of work I'd come here in a heart beat.

 

Those numbers are pretty close. By December there will be be about 380 pilots on the seniority list for 36 airplanes. The staffing model is for 10 pilots per airplane but there are a dozen or so management pilots and some inefficiencies from having three bases. The top 200 or so will be Captains. Someone hired now would be about 250-260 and there is small attrition (1-2 per month). My best guess is someone hired now would be between 30 and 60 numbers from upgrade once all airplanes have arrived and are staffed. The only problem is after that upgrade is determined entirely by attrition (or new airplanes I guess, but I wouldn't count on that). I think attrition will go up if flow-through is ended, but flow-through would be a better deal for steady attrition if NWA/DAL keep hiring. That's a lot of 'ifs' though.

What do you have to lose if you don't currently have a job?

 

By a long shot how about Mesaba,

Mesaba 4th year pay rate is 34 an hour for all FO's compared to Compass 34 2nd year pay.

I am not here to say who is better or not just stating that 2nd year Pay rate at Compass is 6 bucks more and someone with 250 seniority will be bidding in the top 30% of FO's and enjoy some QOL.

Someone hired at Mesaba right now is at the bottom of a 1000 other pilots and I do not think Mesaba will keep the CRJ-200 because so many other DCI carries fly them

Everyone should do whatever it is best for them

 

I'm off to India I think, too hard to pass up that kind of money and A320 PIC/International experience is also a factor.

thanks for the help in this thread guys and good luck.

 

CE750,
I think you are making a good decision by looking outside the country. Did you look at Air Astana? I followed your posts while at SX. I would love to give it a try. The only problem is, I logged a grand total of 18 hours in the Airbus before SX closed the doors. I wish you the best.

 

check out Indigo Airlines... they're in India, so it's not going to be 5th Ave and Barns & Nobel at every corner, but $16K/mo pay package isn't easy to scoff at.. NO PIC time needed, just the PIC Type and other 121 PIC experience.