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10-11-2014, 06:55 PM
#4701
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Precarious
Posts: 378
Our trips have to average 4:45 per day minimum. So, if you have a 4 day trip with a 30 hour layover and they manage to get 19 hours of flying into the other 3 days, you get nothing. If there is only 15 hours of flying in the other 3 days, you will get 4 hours. They are very efficient when it comes to avoiding actually paying any soft time.
10-12-2014, 12:03 AM
#4702
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Joined APC: Jan 2012
Posts: 204
Originally Posted by conquestdz
Our trips have to average 4:45 per day minimum. So, if you have a 4 day trip with a 30 hour layover and they manage to get 19 hours of flying into the other 3 days, you get nothing. If there is only 15 hours of flying in the other 3 days, you will get 4 hours. They are very efficient when it comes to avoiding actually paying any soft time.
10-12-2014, 05:12 AM
#4703
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 92
Where do your 30 layovers tend to be? It would at least be more palatable if they were somewhere interesting like LAX, NYC, BOS, SFO etc. Do you have provisions in your contract regarding hotels for long overnights? Do they have to put you downtown if you're there for longer than a certain amount of time for instance?
10-12-2014, 05:48 AM
#4704
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: B767
Posts: 425
Originally Posted by Fecking EJet
Where do your 30 layovers tend to be? It would at least be more palatable if they were somewhere interesting like LAX, NYC, BOS, SFO etc. Do you have provisions in your contract regarding hotels for long overnights? Do they have to put you downtown if you're there for longer than a certain amount of time for instance?
10-12-2014, 05:53 AM
#4705
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 453
Originally Posted by Temocil27
All of our hotels are airport hotels. We have a provision for downtown hotels but it will never happen with TSH at the helm.
10-12-2014, 06:35 AM
#4706
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: Satisfied
Posts: 379
Originally Posted by Omnivorous
This four day could've paid 23 hours instead of 19. Yup.
Now, do i wish the pairings were more efficient? OF COURSE! And personally, i think it seems to be trending that way. The company can either staff thin or make our pairings inefficient, not both and it seems to me that the number of 30 hour overnights is decreasing in comparison to when the ADTG was first implemented.
10-12-2014, 06:37 AM
#4707
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Posts: 379
Originally Posted by Temocil27
30 hour layovers are generally in less desirable stations. SDF, IAH, YXE, etc. The good news is there are far less of them next month (for MSP at least). All of our hotels are airport hotels. We have a provision for downtown hotels but it will never happen with TSH at the helm.
10-12-2014, 06:47 AM
#4708
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 593
Originally Posted by Snickers
I cringe just a little bit every time i hear this rationalization. it simply isnt true because the company would never have built a pairing like this without the ADTG. I remember when i started there were some EXTREMELY inefficient pairings because we were not getting min day on the 30 hour layover and now there is a minimum value that has to be paid; the 9 hour three day will never happen again. In that sense, the ADTG has helped.
Now, do i wish the pairings were more efficient? OF COURSE! And personally, i think it seems to be trending that way. The company can either staff thin or make our pairings inefficient, not both and it seems to me that the number of 30 hour overnights is decreasing in comparison to when the ADTG was first implemented.
Now, do i wish the pairings were more efficient? OF COURSE! And personally, i think it seems to be trending that way. The company can either staff thin or make our pairings inefficient, not both and it seems to me that the number of 30 hour overnights is decreasing in comparison to when the ADTG was first implemented.
10-12-2014, 07:02 AM
#4709
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: FO
Posts: 3,032
Originally Posted by djrogs03
In talking to the same advisor the company has deliberately changed the pairings to benefit themselves
10-12-2014, 07:07 AM
#4710
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Position: The Parlor
Posts: 1,243
Originally Posted by djrogs03
In talking to an ALPA P2P advisor a majority of the pilot group is unhappy with the ADTG, it is benefiting very few (benefiting junior line holders or those with low credit trips)...the trips are fluctuating because of the decrease in block hours going into low travel season. In talking to the same advisor the company has deliberately changed the pairings to benefit themselves, the advisor stated that when the 6 month ADTG trial period expires they fully expect to not renew it it...for the month of September I lost 9 hours of pay over 3 four day trips. That would have given my roughly $300 extra dollars and 2 days off if the 4 hour min day credit was applied and counted towards PBS, even if it didn't $300 is $300
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