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Seriously, it's time to get over it. It's not rocket science.....and those kind of times are far better than what the requirements used to be.

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I respectfully disagree, upgrading is not easy. It's already a steep learning curve for anyone who has experience in the E170 and is familiar with our AOM/FOM. I'm glad you think it's such an easy job but that's not the case for most. Someone hired with no jet time and little experience with our operations and upgrades right our of FO training is in for a rough ride. Add to that flying with an inexperienced FO right out of CA IOE and you're in for a ride.

BouyaKasha

06-30-2015 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lear (Post 1918207)

A large number of airline pilots in Europe and Asia start on the right seat of A320s and B737s with 250-300 hours through cadet programs or specialized training such as the Multi-Crew Pilot License (MPL). As long as the training/upgrade programs do their job in ensuring that nobody gets in either seat without being fully qualified to do so, I don't see an issue with "low time" CA/FOs.

And as a result they have "Airbus babies" whose only experience is being a cruise relief first officer and can't recognize a high altitude stall. No thank you keep those cadets our of our airlines.

Squallrider

06-30-2015 10:32 AM

Hey guys, just curious how many sim/ftd sessions do you guys have in training? My friend claims 3 then checkride...seems a bit low

BlueMoon

06-30-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 1918793)

Hey guys, just curious how many sim/ftd sessions do you guys have in training? My friend claims 3 then checkride...seems a bit low

4 ftd's, 6 sims, mv, loft, then LOE (that is the "checkride")

F2m185

06-30-2015 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by flyguy94 (Post 1918723)

I'm betting the next big upgrade bid hits guys still in new hire orientation. Any takers?

what constitutes a "big" upgrade vacancy here? 15-20?

Squallrider

06-30-2015 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1918803)

4 ftd's, 6 sims, mv, loft, then LOE (that is the "checkride")

Is that initial? How about for upgrade? Thanks

BlueMoon

06-30-2015 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 1918822)

Is that initial? How about for upgrade? Thanks

Day of ground school, oral is on Day 2, 2 FTD's, and a procedures validation.(procedures test in the FTD). Then, 2 Sim's, MV, Loft, LOE.

123rule

06-30-2015 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by F2m185 (Post 1918819)

what constitutes a "big" upgrade vacancy here? 15-20?

Last vacancy had 32 upgrades and 9 people on alternate list after it was amended..

Cujo665

06-30-2015 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BouyaKasha (Post 1918747)

And as a result they have "Airbus babies" whose only experience is being a cruise relief first officer and can't recognize a high altitude stall. No thank you keep those cadets our of our airlines.

And then Malaysia Air x2
Indonesia Air
German Wings

Yep, they can keep that crap in Europe

morerightrudder

06-30-2015 04:20 PM

New seniority list showing about 80ish flows left. With upgrade slots spoken for until September and 14 American planes still coming, are people seeing just one more big vacancy bid, or, say 2-3 more?

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