We're not past the 2014-06, it is in full effect. The first LOA, 2014-01 was the first to set the ground rules that led to 2014-06 and it stated the same thing about '4 hour of credit for a calendar day away from base for which no duty is assigned'.

We were always getting '4 hours of pay for a calendar day away from base for which no duty is assigned' however, when we were finalizing the contract the company decided it was pay only, and not pay and credit.

We fought them to arbitration (per LOA 2014-01) and instead of leading it in the hands of the arbitrator, we settled with the company to guarantee we would get '4 hours of pay and credit for a calendar day away from base for which no duty is assigned' after a 6 month trial period with the ADTG (per 2014-06).

Why did we agree to the 6 month trial? Because the company said it could take a while to program PBS to reflect the change appropriately. Now whether or not that would take months, we still wanted the extra credit reflected immediately. That is why the ADTG came to be, as a way for us to capture more credit from the start of that agreement.

There is nothing to help you with FAI unless we amend the rules to state something along the line of 'any flight blocking in before 0200' or 'an extra 4:00 of pay and credit for every less duty periods than the calendar days the trip operates on'. Or the company can agree to give you the 4:00 of pay and credit, but I don't think they will just go for that with the language in our contract.

You could see 3 day trips to FAI worth as little as 8:00 or a turn worth 7:00. With the ADTG, the minimum the 3 day would have paid would have been 14:15 and 9:30 with a turn since it would touch 2 days. I fully expect people to come on here and rail on me for saying so, but it is the truth. The ADTG is over, but that is what we agreed to go away from with going to the option we currently have.

Just food for thought in future negotiations.

Because the language doesn't exist. A 4:00 min day provision never existed. If we truly wanted it, we did a poor job putting it in our disputed language in the LOA. Instead we agreed to dispute whether we would get '4 hour of credit for a calendar day away from base for which no duty is assigned'.

I can't tell if you are being serious or digging for a response. From our past discussions, I'm pretty sure you know how it works.

Our contract has always stated you lose the min duty period credit of 4:00 when you drop below 4:00. At that point, you only get flight credit for the duty period. The great thing about the ADTG is that it didn't say you lost anything when you dropped below it. Your min duty credits would go down, but the ADTG wouldn't and would insulate the minimum you would get paid. I remember seeing pilots dropping all the turns off their 4 days originally worth 20:00 and with the ADTG, they still got paid 19:00, while now they can get as little as 10:00.

Swapped for trip out of legit open time and not trade board. First day has 1:40 of block and it's showing 1:40 credit...Pretty sure it should be 4:00 right?


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They coded it incorrectly when it went into open time, it should be 4:00. Call and ask scheduling to fix it. If they don't, email payroll. If they don't, email the contract committee.

Even if you pick up a trip from another pilot, the min duty period should be 4:00 for the pilot picking up the portion of the trip from the other pilot. The pilot dropping the flying, will lose potential min duty credit.

You are correct, Call scheduling, it is probably coded wrong.

Thanks


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Was anyone able to get into Compass User Login

when trying to add travelers for AA benefits? I used my PPR number as the username and the password that was set for myIDtravel and it still dosen't work and no one responds to the emails...:confused:

I've had the exact same problem.


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Has anyone heard how jr the "what if" for capt awards has been going this time around?

If you haven't changed your password, it's your birthdate MMDDYYYY

I think the original was YYYYMMDD, but could be wrong. Call the IT helpdesk and they will reset your password.