GrassLandings

This.

Along with the 150 flow, many others being picked by majors and the 20 new AA airframes. New hires (right now) with no 121 time will be able to upgrade in 1.5 years or so. (But I agree with 404, an FO with only 1.5years 121 will have a harder time passing than the past pool of pilots who may have been 5+ year FO's or even Capts at other airlines).
Even after the flow is done(nov) the growth and other attrition due to major hiring will make for a decent ammount of movements for a while after. Even then, its a descent timeframe. Somewhere around 3 years I beleive I was told.

Also, up until recently compass only hired ex 121 guys with 4year degrees. Now all those guys are either hired somewhere, or out of the game. It would be wise to open interviews to those without 121 time or 4 year degrees to keep the airframes staffed with pilots Compass likes. Im sure there are ex 121 capts they have turned down, and non121, no degree applicants that have gotten the green light. Not all will be good candidates, but there are many pilots out there with plenty of relevant expierence that may or may not have some college.
You will see more and more new hires with some or no college, and no-121 time.

404yxl

Since our upgrade will probably drop to basically street captains this fall, I think anyone hired right now will see their upgrade extended due to more junior pilots upgrading before them because those pilots will come in for the street captain slots. When they get their 1000 hours, their upgrade time will depend on how many upgraded below them, and depending on how close they start from today.

For those without any of the 1000 hour requirement, it is probably 2 years for those hired right now and anyone hired this summer or fall onwards, is probably looking at 3-4 years.

Subject to change due to abnormal attrition/growth and if we get a realistic interview/flow for the pilots after this flow expires

Ar Pilot

Compass has been hiring CFIs/non 121 people for over a year now.

Last I heard, people interviewing now are getting May classes.

Current upgrade is a Jan 2014 hire.

Properly staffed on captains right now, but once we start losing 20/mo to Delta starting next month, things will get interesting.

Compass has a good contract, lots of movement and has a great small company corporate environment. Best move I could have made coming from Envoy.

emb145

I think you are correct in that something doesn't add up. Changing policy to accept non degree candidates and also in the same policy change, begin paying for new hire accommodations can mean only one thing. That something their hiring department sees indicates that the candidate pool is thin and drying up.

This great reshuffling of regional flying within the past two years has kept Compass and PSA with a steady stream of applicants coming from shrinking and dying carriers like Envoy and Expressjet. As LCCs and the majors are now all hiring at a steady clip, regional pilots at all carriers are taking advantage of the ever increasing "pilot's market" and bailing for greener pastures.

The climate has been changing slowly during this period and I believe will begin to accelerate even more this year. Consider that shrinking carriers like Envoy are STILL hiring. Not only that, they are still offering hiring bonuses.

PSA and Compass will exhaust the supply of ship jumpers sometime in the near future and the days of new hire classes of 20 to 30 will be in the rear view mirror.


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AlaskaBound

Don't forget Endeavorer is wholly owned and that's always turned out bad for those in the past. Delta is ruthless and it's amazing how quickly people forget how terrible RA can make it for wholly owned carriers. Those first few upgrade classes will be to upgrade those who have been downgraded and there are 7.5 year FOs who still have to upgrade. Don't get too excited about 9E yet.

AlaskaBound

Maybe this is a preemptive move to keep the flow of candidates coming. It's really hard to believe but maybe TSH is being kind of proactive? I can't believe I said "TSH and proactive" in the same sentence but it seems to be the truth.

Da40Pilot

Does Compass have a route map? If based out of LAX are most flights west of the mississippi? Do they fly to Mexico City?

AlaskaBound

No route map. Most of the flights are west of the Mississippi but still a fair amount of flying east of it. No Mexico City at this point. Maybe for AA in the future but Delta has AeroMexico doing that route from LAX as of now. The only route we do to Mexico is Monterrey from LAX.

Da40Pilot

Thanks.

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TheFly

Overall pay is better at SkyWest and upgrade times are faster at Compass. Right now the upgrade time is at 3.5-4 years at SkyWest. Don't know for sure about Compass. The thing about upgrades is they can and do change without notice. Never chase a quick upgrade.