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Old 07-07-2017 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PanchoBarnes
And SKW owning planes means what to the rest of us? It's still a regional and so is Compass
Man you're dense. Owning the airframe means that they can't be pulled from underneath you. If DL, UA, AS or AA own the plane, then they decide who flies it. What it means for Compass is all of the planes can be put elsewhere.

If a regional owns the airframe, then should it come off contract for one company it will start flying for another. An idle asset does not generate revenue- these folks are running a business, not a charity.

Yes comparing QOL between regionals can sometimes be like comparing which feces smells better, but it was a valid point to suggest the advantage of having your company's name on the registration certificate. I'm pretty sure most people have that goal....get the name in big letters on the side of the aircraft to match the name on the paycheck.
Old 07-07-2017 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by veewan
Man you're dense. Owning the airframe means that they can't be pulled from underneath you. If DL, UA, AS or AA own the plane, then they decide who flies it. What it means for Compass is all of the planes can be put elsewhere.

If a regional owns the airframe, then should it come off contract for one company it will start flying for another. An idle asset does not generate revenue- these folks are running a business, not a charity.

Yes comparing QOL between regionals can sometimes be like comparing which feces smells better, but it was a valid point to suggest the advantage of having your company's name on the registration certificate. I'm pretty sure most people have that goal....get the name in big letters on the side of the aircraft to match the name on the paycheck.
They can only be placed somewhere if everywhere isn't scoped out. So basically Alaska is the only place planes could go.
Old 07-07-2017 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
They can only be placed somewhere if everywhere isn't scoped out. So basically Alaska is the only place planes could go.
*facepalm*

Well then how did 6 170s get placed elsewhere? I think you're misunderstanding what scoped out means. Scoped out is I great thing...in fact I hope going forward regional flying is insourced back to mainline.

My point is the 56 remaining 175s are owned by AA and DL. In theory they could get shuffled to another regional...like Endeavor for the DL birds. That does not require any changes in scope.
Old 07-07-2017 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by peepz
You mean you're, but thanks for reconfirming my statement that your statement doesn't exist. See the difference between your and your're.


No we don't know it all, did you see our new crappy pay package. Stupidest pilot group in the regionals is what OO is.
Quick question son. What's *your're* as you so eloquently describe it? If *your're* going to give grammar lessons, make sure you double check yourself.
Old 07-07-2017 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by veewan
*facepalm*

Well then how did 6 170s get placed elsewhere? I think you're misunderstanding what scoped out means. Scoped out is I great thing...in fact I hope going forward regional flying is insourced back to mainline.

My point is the 56 remaining 175s are owned by AA and DL. In theory they could get shuffled to another regional...like Endeavor for the DL birds. That does not require any changes in scope.
Agreed, scope doesn't have anything to do with who is flying the airplane, just how many airplanes there are.

American birds could be gone tomorrow, just ask an Envoy pilot (even though they are still under contract). The DL birds are safe for the short foreseeable future, due to the fact that they are the higher GTOW and would require a contract change for them to be flown by someone else (and they are still under contract).
Old 07-07-2017 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by veewan
*facepalm*

Well then how did 6 170s get placed elsewhere? I think you're misunderstanding what scoped out means. Scoped out is I great thing...in fact I hope going forward regional flying is insourced back to mainline.

My point is the 56 remaining 175s are owned by AA and DL. In theory they could get shuffled to another regional...like Endeavor for the DL birds. That does not require any changes in scope.

Yes, I was talking the other way. A company that owns their own airplanes (like RAH or OO) could end up stuck with a bunch of CRJ or ERJs that they own/make payments on, that they can't place anywhere. Yes, the DL/AA/UA owned airplanes are safe, they're already in there.
Old 07-07-2017 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
They can only be placed somewhere if everywhere isn't scoped out. So basically Alaska is the only place planes could go.
Huh??? If Compass 175's go somewhere else they're already included in scope numbers
Old 07-07-2017 | 08:12 AM
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If you guys spent half the energy updating apps and bettering yourself vs comparing di** sizes on this forum you would be at mainline by now.

Skywest sucks, compass sucks, they all suck.
Old 07-07-2017 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Yes, I was talking the other way. A company that owns their own airplanes (like RAH or OO) could end up stuck with a bunch of CRJ or ERJs that they own/make payments on, that they can't place anywhere. Yes, the DL/AA/UA owned airplanes are safe, they're already in there.
They could, but I think that's unlikely. The name of the game in the pilot shortage is staffing. If RAH or OO can fill classes, they will keep their jets flying. There will come a point, if flying is insourced back to mainline, where regionals will not need as many aircraft, but I personally think that will coincide with the regionals not being able to hire adequately due to attrition. Under the current conditions I don't foresee RAH or OO going away. I do think GLA will, and maybe Mesa might disappear. There's also likely to be consolidation on the regional level like we've seen at the major level.
Old 07-07-2017 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by veewan
Man you're dense. Owning the airframe means that they can't be pulled from underneath you. If DL, UA, AS or AA own the plane, then they decide who flies it. What it means for Compass is all of the planes can be put elsewhere.

If a regional owns the airframe, then should it come off contract for one company it will start flying for another. An idle asset does not generate revenue- these folks are running a business, not a charity.

Yes comparing QOL between regionals can sometimes be like comparing which feces smells better, but it was a valid point to suggest the advantage of having your company's name on the registration certificate. I'm pretty sure most people have that goal....get the name in big letters on the side of the aircraft to match the name on the paycheck.
I'm not as dense as you assume. I understand what you're saying, but that doesn't assure that all their airframes will be flying just because their name is on the registration.
And yes a couple SKW airplanes have their name painted on the side, but that sure isn't my goal. The passengers aren't buying a ticket from skywest. (I do know what you meant by that, and yes mainline is my goal as well).
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