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Old 10-10-2017 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy94
This has been grieved and won before. Contact the union. The company is not paying the pilot you picked it up from and now they aren't paying you. It's not specifically written in the contract one way or the other but they've paid before.
This.

When I was on reserve, when I picked up from trade board (on a day off) I remember it being coded as above guarantee. However, you had to email Trip Trades to ensure it was coded as such. I know a number of other pilots who experienced the same.

It seems to me that this arrangement was an informal agreement between the company and the union. I don't think there was any codification of this policy. Nonetheless, if you are not being paid above guarantee for trade board pickups, I would recommend exercising the grievance process.
Old 10-10-2017 | 12:56 PM
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Anyone know guys actually volunteering for right seat? Company men hurting the rest of us. If you run into these guys, please let them know what they are doing. The union made it pretty clear but I still take it a few guys will ignore it.
Old 10-10-2017 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by poorflyer
Is it really working for free? A reserve is getting paid 75 hours a month to fill in gaps that happen in scheduling. Sometimes you get paid to sit at home. By picking up a trade you don't help the schedulers fill any gaps, you're just flying a trip that already had a pilot fly it. So why would they need to pay you more if the contract doesn't even mention it. It doesn't help the company at all and ALPA didn't add it to our contract language. Legally I don't see why they have to.
Yes it is working for free if they are not getting paid above guarantee. The company no longer has to pay the pilot who trade-dropped and a reserve is paid guarantee only for the duty days awarded.

You are supposed to get paid the face value of a trade that is flown. You’ll find that language if you search for it.

Having reserves is just a cost of doing business for any airline, because life happens. Also, a 2-hour callout isn’t exactly a home vacation.
Old 10-10-2017 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
If you pick up a reserve shift in open time, but never get called, do you get paid above your normal guarantee for the reserve shift? Like +4?

EDIT scratch that for whatever reason I'm not allowed to pick up extra reserve shifts (??)
Because our reserve rules are archaic.
Old 10-10-2017 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by VIRotate
Anyone know guys actually volunteering for right seat? Company men hurting the rest of us. If you run into these guys, please let them know what they are doing. The union made it pretty clear but I still take it a few guys will ignore it.
Their names ought to be published on a list and distributed for all to see. Only mgmt pilots, instructors, and check airmen should be all-seat qualified. If you fly with one, send their name to the MEC/pro-stands for circumnavigating the entire pilot group.
Old 10-10-2017 | 02:16 PM
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Looks like your wrong. Bid came out 5mins early


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I didn’t say it wasn’t going to happen, just if anyone was betting it wouldn’t.
Old 10-10-2017 | 03:01 PM
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If you pick a trip while on reserve be it trade board or opentime you can call/email and make sure they coded as something like OTM. It just has to be coded and then it'll be paid. I had trips that didn't get coded and I called back to have them adjust the code, they helped out. Been a while, but been there done that.
Old 10-10-2017 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust
Their names ought to be published on a list and distributed for all to see. Only mgmt pilots, instructors, and check airmen should be all-seat qualified. If you fly with one, send their name to the MEC/pro-stands for circumnavigating the entire pilot group.
Curious, really, what would Pro Stands do about this? If I understand their function correctly, that would not be part of it.

I can understand your motives on reporting them to the MEC, but I have a feeling what Pro Stands answer will be "So, what would you like us to do about it?". If you look at the message on the ALPA website, it specifically states that it does not handle grievance matters. I think the message was loud and clear on the MEC Communication.

BTW-not taking sides, just stating matters of fact as I see them.
Old 10-10-2017 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WingedCelt
Curious, really, what would Pro Stands do about this? If I understand their function correctly, that would not be part of it.



I can understand your motives on reporting them to the MEC, but I have a feeling what Pro Stands answer will be "So, what would you like us to do about it?". If you look at the message on the ALPA website, it specifically states that it does not handle grievance matters. I think the message was loud and clear on the MEC Communication.



BTW-not taking sides, just stating matters of fact as I see them.


I can’t believe people actually said they wanna fly right away so they can “fly with their friends”. Are you F-ing kidding me!? I know we are a west coast airline but talk about broing down with your bros ehh


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Originally Posted by Fpmx772
I can’t believe people actually said they wanna fly right away so they can “fly with their friends”. Are you F-ing kidding me!? I know we are a west coast airline but talk about broing down with your bros ehh


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I mentioned that"fly with my friend" thing to my fo an hour ago. What I got was the rolliest of eye rolls I've seen from anyone who isn't a 12 year old girl.

What a ridiculous, short sighted, nimble minded, toad sucking reason for a captain to pick up a fo open time trip.
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