Is COVID-19 really that deadly.
What changed his mind?
03-29-2020 | 09:53 PM
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^^ This. For the life of me I can't believe how many people on here still doubt the severity of this. This polarization isn't about democrats vs republicans or boomers vs millennials. It appears the majority of all of these groups, ranging from POTUS to the CDC, agree that this is significantly deadlier than the common flu and that it WILL kill a few hundred thousand Americans (and that is with social distancing; without it, it'll kill exponentially more). This isn't fear mongering, it's reality. We can't just wish it was different or plan on a miracle even though we're all suffering right now, we all have mortgages and kids to feed, and we are all in this together. Enough with the denial.
03-29-2020 | 11:30 PM
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This is very real!
PHNL 8L is closed and is a parking lot for big airliners. 79 years ago we parked aircraft close together for security just like this.
The Germans came and bombed them all at Pearl Harbor!
Fly Safe and do the right thing.
PHNL 8L is closed and is a parking lot for big airliners. 79 years ago we parked aircraft close together for security just like this.
The Germans came and bombed them all at Pearl Harbor!
Fly Safe and do the right thing.
03-30-2020 | 01:35 AM
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03-30-2020 | 05:18 AM
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^^ This. For the life of me I can't believe how many people on here still doubt the severity of this. This polarization isn't about democrats vs republicans or boomers vs millennials. It appears the majority of all of these groups, ranging from POTUS to the CDC, agree that this is significantly deadlier than the common flu and that it WILL kill a few hundred thousand Americans (and that is with social distancing; without it, it'll kill exponentially more). This isn't fear mongering, it's reality. We can't just wish it was different or plan on a miracle even though we're all suffering right now, we all have mortgages and kids to feed, and we are all in this together. Enough with the denial.
80% of the people that become infected develop at most mild symptoms. Most will develop immunity without showing any symptoms. The current projected infectuous fatality rate (iFR) is 0.5%, 1 in 200, most of whom are already chronically ill and elderly.
Trillions of dollars in debt, sending millions into poverty, significant disruption of daily life, depression. For each life we *potentially* save the economy has suffered a multi-million dollar loss. The lives that are being saved, for the most part, have a life expectancy of only a few months to a few years anyway because most of the people saved are in their 70s and 80s. That's trillions of dollars that won't go to research for new diseases, education, infrastructure in an effort to on average extend the life expectancy of elderly a few months to a couple years.
From my point of view denial is believing that lockdowns and quarantines are the only effective treatment. Denial is not factoring in the massive economic and social disruption our current policy is causing. 3 modern 1st world countries to date have allowed their economies to remain open while still practicing hygiene, testing and social distancing and the health outcomes so far are similar.
The issue has been made black and white, right or wrong -- but that type of thinking leads to overreactions and bad decisions.
Cardiovascular disease kills many more Americans than COVID-19 will and it does it every year. The best way to prevent and reverse CVD disease is veganism. Yet, I think most of us would have a big problem if the federal and state governments forced veganism upon us (I know I would). But, isn't that exactly what they are doing with COVID? Forcing all of us to change our behavior when it won't directly impact the overwhelming majority of us.
Isolate the elderly. Isolate those with chronic illness. Let the rest of us live our lives. Stop reacting with fear. One government job is to protect it's citizens, not hurt the majority of citizens in an overreaction to protect a small minority.
There is no denial about COVID-19, but the current policies are rooted in hysteria. There are options that are much less destructive and traumatic while still protecting those at risk the best we can.
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03-30-2020 | 06:06 AM
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80% of the people that become infected develop at most mild symptoms. Most will develop immunity without showing any symptoms. The current projected infectuous fatality rate (iFR) is 0.5%, 1 in 200, most of whom are already chronically ill and elderly.
Trillions of dollars in debt, sending millions into poverty, significant disruption of daily life, depression. For each life we *potentially* save the economy has suffered a multi-million dollar loss. The lives that are being saved, for the most part, have a life expectancy of only a few months to a few years anyway because most of the people saved are in their 70s and 80s. That's trillions of dollars that won't go to research for new diseases, education, infrastructure in an effort to on average extend the life expectancy of elderly a few months to a couple years.
From my point of view denial is believing that lockdowns and quarantines are the only effective treatment. Denial is not factoring in the massive economic and social disruption our current policy is causing. 3 modern 1st world countries to date have allowed their economies to remain open while still practicing hygiene, testing and social distancing and the health outcomes so far are similar.
The issue has been made black and white, right or wrong -- but that type of thinking leads to overreactions and bad decisions.
Cardiovascular disease kills many more Americans than COVID-19 will and it does it every year. The best way to prevent and reverse CVD disease is veganism. Yet, I think most of us would have a big problem if the federal and state governments forced veganism upon us (I know I would). But, isn't that exactly what they are doing with COVID? Forcing all of us to change our behavior when it won't directly impact the overwhelming majority of us.
Isolate the elderly. Isolate those with chronic illness. Let the rest of us live our lives. Stop reacting with fear. One government job is to protect it's citizens, not hurt the majority of citizens in an overreaction to protect a small minority.
There is no denial about COVID-19, but the current policies are rooted in hysteria. There are options that are much less destructive and traumatic while still protecting those at risk the best we can.
Trillions of dollars in debt, sending millions into poverty, significant disruption of daily life, depression. For each life we *potentially* save the economy has suffered a multi-million dollar loss. The lives that are being saved, for the most part, have a life expectancy of only a few months to a few years anyway because most of the people saved are in their 70s and 80s. That's trillions of dollars that won't go to research for new diseases, education, infrastructure in an effort to on average extend the life expectancy of elderly a few months to a couple years.
From my point of view denial is believing that lockdowns and quarantines are the only effective treatment. Denial is not factoring in the massive economic and social disruption our current policy is causing. 3 modern 1st world countries to date have allowed their economies to remain open while still practicing hygiene, testing and social distancing and the health outcomes so far are similar.
The issue has been made black and white, right or wrong -- but that type of thinking leads to overreactions and bad decisions.
Cardiovascular disease kills many more Americans than COVID-19 will and it does it every year. The best way to prevent and reverse CVD disease is veganism. Yet, I think most of us would have a big problem if the federal and state governments forced veganism upon us (I know I would). But, isn't that exactly what they are doing with COVID? Forcing all of us to change our behavior when it won't directly impact the overwhelming majority of us.
Isolate the elderly. Isolate those with chronic illness. Let the rest of us live our lives. Stop reacting with fear. One government job is to protect it's citizens, not hurt the majority of citizens in an overreaction to protect a small minority.
There is no denial about COVID-19, but the current policies are rooted in hysteria. There are options that are much less destructive and traumatic while still protecting those at risk the best we can.
Nate Silver is a statistician that runs FiveThirtyEight, which is a highly respected website dealing with political and other stats.
03-30-2020 | 06:10 AM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/swed...of-europe.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...ainment-2020-3
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=030320
03-30-2020 | 06:18 AM
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https://twitter.com/natesilver538/st...080870406?s=21
Nate Silver is a statistician that runs FiveThirtyEight, which is a highly respected website dealing with political and other stats.
Nate Silver is a statistician that runs FiveThirtyEight, which is a highly respected website dealing with political and other stats.
the benefits.
This is not a pleasant or politically correct conversation to have, I think it becomes one of ethics and morality. In the end I think most people are in charge of their own health -- the decision whether to lockdown or quarantine is personal and should not be mandated by the government. This disease effects people so differently (from asymptomatic to death) treating everyone with blanket restrictions seems really overbearing and causes a lot of problems that haven't been discussed much yet.
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