It's just the flu!
04-26-2020 | 07:25 AM
#221
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Who is going to intervene on behalf of the all strawmen being burned??! It's a masssacre!
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04-26-2020 | 07:58 AM
#222
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I propose a one-month closing of all gas stations in the US, starting now. No stay at home order, just no gas.
Typically people who own electric cars are responsible/intelligent enough to follow government guidelines, or at least use discretion when venturing out in public.
CV mitigated by June 1st.
Typically people who own electric cars are responsible/intelligent enough to follow government guidelines, or at least use discretion when venturing out in public.
CV mitigated by June 1st.
04-26-2020 | 08:14 AM
#223
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Wasn't quite born yet.
I’m just feeding the hysteria of all of these threads. The fact is none of us have nearly the information the administration has, yet we all “know better” in relation to our political leanings.
All of these threads are pointless. We have no immediate influence on national health response or the airline’s recovery game plan. Anyone who thinks they, or Hillary, or Uncle Joe, or Barack would have done any better leading through this is naive. And anyone who thinks ALPA will have any influence on what happens Oct 1 is also naive.
My trolling is complete. It’s grown tiresome.
Im an “open it up” guy. Apply common sense health safety in everything we do, but it’s time to get on with life. The hospitals have sufficient PPE and equipment to absorb any rebound.
Hopefully this results in better hygiene and prolific vaccinations of all types.
Before the press moved the goal posts, “flattening the curve” was solely intended to distribute infection over a longer period to prevent overwhelming the health care system. Empirical evidence says we’re there. Two weeks became four weeks became six or more weeks of flattening. Those criticizing the “get back to work” crowd don’t have any fool-proof solutions either, short of “stay home” until we tell you it’s safe, another milestone there’s no consensus on, and will ultimately be an arbitrary decision made when political pressure becomes too great for said elected officials’ political career to withstand. That’s not realistic.
I’m just feeding the hysteria of all of these threads. The fact is none of us have nearly the information the administration has, yet we all “know better” in relation to our political leanings.
All of these threads are pointless. We have no immediate influence on national health response or the airline’s recovery game plan. Anyone who thinks they, or Hillary, or Uncle Joe, or Barack would have done any better leading through this is naive. And anyone who thinks ALPA will have any influence on what happens Oct 1 is also naive.
My trolling is complete. It’s grown tiresome.
Im an “open it up” guy. Apply common sense health safety in everything we do, but it’s time to get on with life. The hospitals have sufficient PPE and equipment to absorb any rebound.
Hopefully this results in better hygiene and prolific vaccinations of all types.
Before the press moved the goal posts, “flattening the curve” was solely intended to distribute infection over a longer period to prevent overwhelming the health care system. Empirical evidence says we’re there. Two weeks became four weeks became six or more weeks of flattening. Those criticizing the “get back to work” crowd don’t have any fool-proof solutions either, short of “stay home” until we tell you it’s safe, another milestone there’s no consensus on, and will ultimately be an arbitrary decision made when political pressure becomes too great for said elected officials’ political career to withstand. That’s not realistic.
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04-26-2020 | 08:42 AM
#225
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Probably because the 50+K dead already isn't accurate and vastly inflated. Just follow the money in this whole thing. How much money does Medicaid/Medicare pay per hospital bed people? $13K. How much if that person just happens to have Covid? $39K. The experts freely admit that if someone has severe comorbidities but has Covid, they died of Covid even though they smoked for 25 years and were 100 lb overweight. If you look at the actual numbers the CDC has put out we are at less than 1% mortality. Out of 100 Covid patients 96 will recover. Of the 4 that die 90% of those had severe health problems to begin with. "We need 30K ventilators". they used 5K in NY. What a joke. We made GM make ventilators!!! This is such a self inflicted event folks. Absolutely crazy. Sweden must be laughing their butts off.
The Governors who are still beating the lockdown drum are waiting for the bailout money from Uncle sugar. This whole thing was an exercise on how much control our leaders can exercise in emergency situations. It has worked really well for them. Wake up now folks!
The Governors who are still beating the lockdown drum are waiting for the bailout money from Uncle sugar. This whole thing was an exercise on how much control our leaders can exercise in emergency situations. It has worked really well for them. Wake up now folks!
https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/25/p...mhSSJjv70DgpJ4
Wake up, indeed ! ! !
04-26-2020 | 09:04 AM
#226
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Those criticizing the “get back to work” crowd don’t have any fool-proof solutions either, short of “stay home” until we tell you it’s safe, another milestone there’s no consensus on, and will ultimately be an arbitrary decision made when political pressure becomes too great for said elected officials’ political career to withstand. That’s not realistic.
This should have been our generation's moonshot. America used to be able to do amazing things, impossible things. But we're lost and divided, a shadow of our former selves. Here's how it should have gone down.
A national call to action. Part of preventing a second wave is containment of hotspots and flare ups. So when clusters breakout we can get to the source and isolate quickly. That means contact tracing. We can do that utilizing 2 ways: technology and manpower. Apple and Google are codeveloping an app that could track if you came within the vicinity of someone who later tested positive. Combine that with boots on the ground tracers and we might just prevent a second wave. We could have hired 100,000 contact tracers and put them in every town to insure this doesn't go nationwide again.
Our pharmaceutical infrastructure is decimated. When and if a vaccine will be developed, we'll need hundreds of millions of doses. And we'll have to import them from other countries. I doubt we'll be a priority. We should be building massive testing and pharma labs today.
Set up screenings at airports and other public places. Yes, it may not be completely effective, but it will give the public confidence. Right now, everyone is panicked out of their minds. People need to see that we're taking steps to insure their safety, or they're not going to do anything. We need people to feel confident to fly.
These steps would be massive undertakings. Hard work. But seeing this sort of collaborative effort in working towards a common goal would have been unifying.
I try to think what FDR would have done in this scenario. We could use someone like him right now.
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04-26-2020 | 09:30 AM
#227
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You know, this part got me thinking. What would make me satisfied that we were doing enough to face this threat? And I haven't been able to articulate it until this reply.
This should have been our generation's moonshot. America used to be able to do amazing things, impossible things. But we're lost and divided, a shadow of our former selves. Here's how it should have gone down.
A national call to action. Part of preventing a second wave is containment of hotspots and flare ups. So when clusters breakout we can get to the source and isolate quickly. That means contact tracing. We can do that utilizing 2 ways: technology and manpower. Apple and Google are codeveloping an app that could track if you came within the vicinity of someone who later tested positive. Combine that with boots on the ground tracers and we might just prevent a second wave. We could have hired 100,000 contact tracers and put them in every town to insure this doesn't go nationwide again.
Our pharmaceutical infrastructure is decimated. When and if a vaccine will be developed, we'll need hundreds of millions of doses. And we'll have to import them from other countries. I doubt we'll be a priority. We should be building massive testing and pharma labs today.
Set up screenings at airports and other public places. Yes, it may not be completely effective, but it will give the public confidence. Right now, everyone is panicked out of their minds. People need to see that we're taking steps to insure their safety, or they're not going to do anything. We need people to feel confident to fly.
These steps would be massive undertakings. Hard work. But seeing this sort of collaborative effort in working towards a common goal would have been unifying.
I try to think what FDR would have done in this scenario. We could use someone like him right now.
This should have been our generation's moonshot. America used to be able to do amazing things, impossible things. But we're lost and divided, a shadow of our former selves. Here's how it should have gone down.
A national call to action. Part of preventing a second wave is containment of hotspots and flare ups. So when clusters breakout we can get to the source and isolate quickly. That means contact tracing. We can do that utilizing 2 ways: technology and manpower. Apple and Google are codeveloping an app that could track if you came within the vicinity of someone who later tested positive. Combine that with boots on the ground tracers and we might just prevent a second wave. We could have hired 100,000 contact tracers and put them in every town to insure this doesn't go nationwide again.
Our pharmaceutical infrastructure is decimated. When and if a vaccine will be developed, we'll need hundreds of millions of doses. And we'll have to import them from other countries. I doubt we'll be a priority. We should be building massive testing and pharma labs today.
Set up screenings at airports and other public places. Yes, it may not be completely effective, but it will give the public confidence. Right now, everyone is panicked out of their minds. People need to see that we're taking steps to insure their safety, or they're not going to do anything. We need people to feel confident to fly.
These steps would be massive undertakings. Hard work. But seeing this sort of collaborative effort in working towards a common goal would have been unifying.
I try to think what FDR would have done in this scenario. We could use someone like him right now.
For the most part, however, I agree with your moonshot reference in using technology to understand how the virus spreads and developing mitigation strategies for future pandemics.
Also agree we need to bring a lot of industry home. Especially industries that directly effect the safety (health) of the American people.
My concern is right to privacy, due process, and our viability as a society in regards to restrictions.
04-26-2020 | 09:39 AM
#228
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Nothing that I've said can't be undone after the crisis is over. And it would rely on mutual trust of citizens and their representatives to manage the normalization. But what's the alternative if we don't use all available resources?
04-26-2020 | 09:46 AM
#229
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Im generalizing, but that usually only happens following a culminating event, such as a war.
Governments almost never reverse restrictions and taxes, especially when enacted in the name of public safety.
In general, I don’t trust government, which is ironic since they educated and pay me.
Governments almost never reverse restrictions and taxes, especially when enacted in the name of public safety.
In general, I don’t trust government, which is ironic since they educated and pay me.
04-26-2020 | 09:46 AM
#230
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NY Nursing homes forced to take COVID patient
WHAT?!!
The coronavirus patients began arriving the last week of March, transferred to the Gurwin Jewish Nursing and Rehabilitation Center under a New York state mandate requiring nursing homes to accept those recovering from COVID-19, even if they still might be contagious.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-spreads-new-york-nursing-home-forced-take-recovering-patients-n1191811
The coronavirus patients began arriving the last week of March, transferred to the Gurwin Jewish Nursing and Rehabilitation Center under a New York state mandate requiring nursing homes to accept those recovering from COVID-19, even if they still might be contagious.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-spreads-new-york-nursing-home-forced-take-recovering-patients-n1191811
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