Originally Posted by Excargodog

I would have used the same tactics that have ALWAYS been used in previous epidemics. THIS case is the outlier. This has not been done before. And those issues were ALWAYS PRESENT with every previous epidemic. We listened to the Chicken Littles of the world and will pay a terrible price for the shutdown, and I don’t just mean in dollars.

in thevUS alone, three million people a year are diagnosed with a serious cancer. Ultimately we cure (or at least put in remission long enough the patient dies of something else) two-thirds of those people. But for three months nobody was doing Pap smears, mammograms, colonoscopies, and other tests to detect those cancers early, so they will be detected later, when the cancer is more advanced, the surgery/chemotherapy/radiation therapy will be more extreme, and the odds of cure less.

Same sort of thing applies across the board. Stop routine medical diagnosis and care, the cardiovascular disease gets worse, the renal disease gets worse, diabetes... etc. let alone increases in mental illness, child abuse, suicide, domestic violence, etc.

you can’t just count one side of 5he equation, you gotta count both sides.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

Nonsense. Death rates are still a small fraction of those of N.Y. and NJ. And overall deaths are still coming down.

Originally Posted by WutFace

Oh we're including NJ now? And you're posting graphs of the nation and stats from Texas?

You're just a bad-faith debater and will wiggle like a worm whenever your points are disproven.

Originally Posted by samc

I don’t recall saying “it [lockdown] is the most effective measure.” I just didn’t list other alternative measures.

That said, I think, among the measures we took it could have been the most effective at reducing R; followed by mask wearing. Calling the virus a “democratic hoax” or waiting till you’d sold all your stock and shorted travel companies, was not effective.

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

Oh ok. Good thing you fly planes for a living and not in charge of public health. You think the virus will be over Nov 3rd?

Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat

Thats ok if you don't recall saying that.....it's recorded for posterity for you in your post #417 'It’s only 110,000 because we got R down by shutting down.'

If that isnt what you meant then you have me confused.......

You have implied that I think its a hoax. Nope I just think its herd mentality and terrible mismanagent.

Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat

You got me, excellent rebuttle. Well played, A personal attack always wins the crowd and importantly, the argument. Makes you look sharp of mind and moraly superior.

Now, I will place my raquet under my arm, meekly exit the arena and go hide under my bed again.

I am left dazed and very, very confused.

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

Because, what can you say to your logic? Instead of debating why don’t you tell us what you would have done mid March if it was up to you?

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

And they’re still right. It’s only 110k because we shut it down.

Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat

Probably somwthing very similar. Then I would have wound it back as quickly as possible as the information came through. I would have said......wear a mask and social.distance blah blah. No need to shelter in place.

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