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I heard in the news yesterday that some hospitals are back to 85%+ ICU capacity due to COVID AND normal ICU admissions. Resurgence was always likely when R was barely below 1 and in some cases, still above 1 when things started reopening.
As for the people saying 110,000 dead Americans is nothing because X number die of other causes are missing the point. It’s only 110,000 because we got R down by shutting down. Also, thanks for pointing out total excess deaths as yet another measure of why we are undercounting COVID deaths.
Maybe we can learn new tailored shutdown techniques, a more nuanced approach, but I doubt we’ll see any leadership from the top on that. Luckily some states have solid leadership.
As for the people saying 110,000 dead Americans is nothing because X number die of other causes are missing the point. It’s only 110,000 because we got R down by shutting down. Also, thanks for pointing out total excess deaths as yet another measure of why we are undercounting COVID deaths.
Maybe we can learn new tailored shutdown techniques, a more nuanced approach, but I doubt we’ll see any leadership from the top on that. Luckily some states have solid leadership.
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I could tell you about being accused of committing a sexual assault and the kangaroo court process that enused. Not fun.
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Prima facie you may be correct. But lets discect your logic because what you have written in one sentence sums up the ENTIRE lockdown argument.
110000 because we got R down. Correct, thats just maths. But you went on to draw a baseless conclusion and herein lies the problem. There is scant evidence that your theory is correct, its still a hypothesis.
Make hypothesis, prove it, then make a statement (theory) (as yours is above). You are at stage one....make hypothesis. Society is at stage one. Politicians are happy to be at stage one.
You may be correct, but that is by luck and wishful thinking. A more realistic hypothesis would have ended...'in part to shutting down, to what degree is very much unknown'.
Im sorry for picking on you but it is these ill considered, binary soundbites that have lead us by the nose into this ridiculus situation. We may not feel responsible for this mess but we can certainly be more careful with our words.
110000 because we got R down. Correct, thats just maths. But you went on to draw a baseless conclusion and herein lies the problem. There is scant evidence that your theory is correct, its still a hypothesis.
Make hypothesis, prove it, then make a statement (theory) (as yours is above). You are at stage one....make hypothesis. Society is at stage one. Politicians are happy to be at stage one.
You may be correct, but that is by luck and wishful thinking. A more realistic hypothesis would have ended...'in part to shutting down, to what degree is very much unknown'.
Im sorry for picking on you but it is these ill considered, binary soundbites that have lead us by the nose into this ridiculus situation. We may not feel responsible for this mess but we can certainly be more careful with our words.
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Prima facie you may be correct. But lets discect your logic because what you have written in one sentence sums up the ENTIRE lockdown argument.
110000 because we got R down. Correct, thats just maths. But you went on to draw a baseless conclusion and herein lies the problem. There is scant evidence that your theory is correct, its still a hypothesis.
Make hypothesis, prove it, then make a statement (theory) (as yours is above). You are at stage one....make hypothesis. Society is at stage one. Politicians are happy to be at stage one.
You may be correct, but that is by luck and wishful thinking. A more realistic hypothesis would have ended...'in part to shutting down, to what degree is very much unknown'.
Im sorry for picking on you but it is these ill considered, binary soundbites that have lead us by the nose into this ridiculus situation. We may not feel responsible for this mess but we can certainly be more careful with our words.
110000 because we got R down. Correct, thats just maths. But you went on to draw a baseless conclusion and herein lies the problem. There is scant evidence that your theory is correct, its still a hypothesis.
Make hypothesis, prove it, then make a statement (theory) (as yours is above). You are at stage one....make hypothesis. Society is at stage one. Politicians are happy to be at stage one.
You may be correct, but that is by luck and wishful thinking. A more realistic hypothesis would have ended...'in part to shutting down, to what degree is very much unknown'.
Im sorry for picking on you but it is these ill considered, binary soundbites that have lead us by the nose into this ridiculus situation. We may not feel responsible for this mess but we can certainly be more careful with our words.
Seriously? Lockdown was the only way for the R count to go down quicker. Look at NY which supposedly is the lowest number, because they had the most number of cases nobody was going out anymore. Look at the numbers now. For this R value to go down quickly below one it has to be a shut down, that’s not a hypothesis it’s a fact that’s why gov officials shut it down. Where we are now is social distancing and wearing masks because we are not ok with shutting it down again. But if we don’t follow that either taking off masks and joining the group parties then this will go on for a long time maybe even few shutdowns and openings again.
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Seriously? Lockdown was the only way for the R count to go down quicker. Look at NY which supposedly is the lowest number, because they had the most number of cases nobody was going out anymore. Look at the numbers now. For this R value to go down quickly below one it has to be a shut down, that’s not a hypothesis it’s a fact that’s why gov officials shut it down. Where we are now is social distancing and wearing masks because we are not ok with shutting it down again. But if we don’t follow that either taking off masks and joining the group parties then this will go on for a long time maybe even few shutdowns and openings again.
Compound that with the heavy reliance on the subway system, it seems like a recipe for disaster. Perhaps a one size fits all response doesn't actually fit.
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Seriously? Lockdown was the only way for the R count to go down quicker. Look at NY which supposedly is the lowest number, because they had the most number of cases nobody was going out anymore. Look at the numbers now. For this R value to go down quickly below one it has to be a shut down, that’s not a hypothesis it’s a fact that’s why gov officials shut it down. Where we are now is social distancing and wearing masks because we are not ok with shutting it down again. But if we don’t follow that either taking off masks and joining the group parties then this will go on for a long time maybe even few shutdowns and openings again.
My point exactly.... You say 'the ONLY way'. I say...'oh really, proove it?'
Just like cancelling flying is the most effective way to may flying safe. Not practical, fiesable or suitable.
I am genuinly amazed that the first way tried to solve the problem happened to be the best way. Hmmmm
Many ways to skin a cat.
#429
Reality. Trumpers. The two go together like oil and water.
(As for the sexual assault thing, that's a whole other story...the automatic presumption that we must 'believe all women!!' is an utter crock of ----. But it's got nothing to do with Obama. Or the Second Amendment.)
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I'm still wondering why I have my guns. I thought Obama was going to take them away. Yet I just got back from the range here in liberal California.. Hmmmmm....could it be that the red-state hysteria over 'Muslim Obama is comin' for your guns!!' was just that... hysteria?
Reality. Trumpers. The two go together like oil and water.
(As for the sexual assault thing, that's a whole other story...the automatic presumption that we must 'believe all women!!' is an utter crock of ----. But it's got nothing to do with Obama. Or the Second Amendment.)
Reality. Trumpers. The two go together like oil and water.
(As for the sexual assault thing, that's a whole other story...the automatic presumption that we must 'believe all women!!' is an utter crock of ----. But it's got nothing to do with Obama. Or the Second Amendment.)
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