Utter nonsense. There are any number of scenarios where a quicker decrease in the r value was possible, including what always happened with chickenpox in the era before there was an immunization for it. Everybody got it, everybody became immune, and you wouldn’t see it again until you bred up a new crop of susceptibles.

For that matter, you could make the case that the Rt in New York has gone down BECAUSE THEIR EFFORTS WERE INEFFECTIVE.

They have had far higher percentages infected than anyone else and even a month ago 15% of the NYC population had antibodies against COVID-19. The more non susceptibles you have walking around the more Rt is likely to go down. Of course they paid for that with a massively greater fatality rate than anyone else:

 

When you shovel infected elderly people into nursing homes, you're going to have a bad time.

 

This sounds suspiciously like science. Because I identify as a lockdown denier:

 

This issue desperatly needs clarity, thats why I stand firmly with those who oppose anti-lockdown-deniers.

 

In response to “If you're looking to be afraid of something, you're going to find something to be afraid of.”
you brought Up both Obama and the second amendment with a hypothetical sarcastic remark.

Why am I not allowed to bring up Obama or the trampling of citizens rights and dignity?

Under Obama’s administration the suspension of due process DID happen, and continued to happen. That is *not* hypothetical. Believe me, I know.

 

Meanwhile...the fatality trend continues downward.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRL0r1qd/C1-D77...333438-D78.png

 

I have no idea what you are talking about. In order to get immunity for this as you are saying millions need to die based on how infectious this disease is before we get close to herd immunity. Professionals would disagree with you on your statement. Also do a basic google search, the only way to QUICKLY stop the R numbers is a shut down. That’s why countries shut down...

 

I said it’s the only way to quickly bring it down. As in with least amount of deaths and infections. It’s not the only way unless you want months and years of this.

 

Generally takes someone 3 weeks to get infected and die, so this data doesn't reflect most reopenings and certainly not the riots. It also generally takes over a week for someone to get infected, get sick, get tested, and get results. Things were looking pretty good, but the protests haven't been reflected in the data yet.

 

your ignorance just doesn’t quit, does it? I BELIEVE you have no idea what I’m talking about because you clearly don’t know even the basics of epidemiology.

Herd immunity is NOT an all or nothing response. Nor would ‘millions need to die.’ All that needs to happen is for enough people to become non susceptible for the Rt to become below 1.0. Sometimes that takes 96-97% of the population being immunized or recovered. Sometimes 10% will do. According to Gov. Cuomo, over 15% of New Yorkers tested positive for coronavirus antibodies.

But there are LOTS of ways to get down to Rt less than 1.0. Immunizations, for one thing. Or do like we have done - well, SINCE BIBLICAL TIMES, and quarantine THE CONTAGIOUS people rather than locking down the uninfected. Or do contact tracing isolation - like we’ve been doing with STD contacts pretty much for a hundred years.

look, nobody can help their ignorance, we are all born that way, but don’t spread yours. Take an epidemiology 101 course or something.