150,000 Americans Dead
08-21-2020, 11:14 AM
#391
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I agree, our elderly want to spend their last few years isolated, masked up, anti social and having the ability to watch their kids and grandkids sad, lonely and with uncertain financial futures.
Some of you amaze me with your mental deficiencies and hide in your shell mentalities.
Some of you amaze me with your mental deficiencies and hide in your shell mentalities.
08-21-2020, 05:04 PM
#392
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
And with all that, if Covid gets into the cafeteria, and it will, half the school will get sick. This has to be treated like as a Noro outbreak. https://www.cdc.gov/norovirus/trends...e...%20More%20
08-21-2020, 06:47 PM
#393
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
I agree, our elderly want to spend their last few years isolated, masked up, anti social and having the ability to watch their kids and grandkids sad, lonely and with uncertain financial futures.
Some of you amaze me with your mental deficiencies and hide in your shell mentalities.
Some of you amaze me with your mental deficiencies and hide in your shell mentalities.
Hawai'i only has 3000 active cases and you're enjoying the comfort of the safety of my islands. Meanwhile you scream and shout about how the world should open up.
Go back to the mainland, brudda. Your crazy haole ass ain't wanted here.
08-21-2020, 06:58 PM
#394
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The reality is that EVERYBODY is ...
...giving up on lockdowns, They are simply unsustainable:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/europ...060436955.html
(Bloomberg) -- Europe is facing a resurgence of coronavirus infections with little willingness to resort to the stringent restrictions on movement that helped the region control the pandemic after an initial surge in March and April.
Economies were decimated by the crisis in the second quarter, and governments are desperate to foster a swift recovery. German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday urged European leaders to work together to avoid reviving lockdowns, calling instead for unified action.
“Politically, we want to avoid closing borders again at any cost, but that assumes that we act in coordination,” Merkel said during a visit with Emmanuel Macron at the French president’s summer residence on the Mediterranean coast.
The uptick in cases in recent weeks has been blamed on social gatherings and travelers. Containment measures focus on targeted initiatives, such as clamping down on nightclubs, requiring masks in public areas and mandating people returning from hard-hit regions quarantine or prove they’re not carrying the disease. So far the measures have yet to show much of an effect.
Economies were decimated by the crisis in the second quarter, and governments are desperate to foster a swift recovery. German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday urged European leaders to work together to avoid reviving lockdowns, calling instead for unified action.
“Politically, we want to avoid closing borders again at any cost, but that assumes that we act in coordination,” Merkel said during a visit with Emmanuel Macron at the French president’s summer residence on the Mediterranean coast.
The uptick in cases in recent weeks has been blamed on social gatherings and travelers. Containment measures focus on targeted initiatives, such as clamping down on nightclubs, requiring masks in public areas and mandating people returning from hard-hit regions quarantine or prove they’re not carrying the disease. So far the measures have yet to show much of an effect.
08-21-2020, 07:11 PM
#395
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
My point had little to do with the interstate commerce clause and much to do with the intrusion of the federal branches of government into states' rights. For anyone with any common sense to assert that some guy growing pot in his back yard for his own use will, in any way, affect interstate commerce is ludicrous. That does not stop the courts from inserting themselves into the case and asserting a broad interpretation of the commerce clause to achieve their goals.
I am not defending Trump except to the extent that he is respecting states' rights and being skewered for it. The court was also wrong in the Filburn case. It is a basic human right to grow ones own food. Do you believe the court was correct in Dred Scott, Buck vs Bell, Korematsu vs US, Plessy vs Ferguson, etc. The court does get it wrong from time to time.
I am not defending Trump except to the extent that he is respecting states' rights and being skewered for it. The court was also wrong in the Filburn case. It is a basic human right to grow ones own food. Do you believe the court was correct in Dred Scott, Buck vs Bell, Korematsu vs US, Plessy vs Ferguson, etc. The court does get it wrong from time to time.
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08-21-2020, 07:22 PM
#396
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Originally Posted by MagooFlew
Depends on the school situation. Some have cut class size, seperated student desks and supplies, limited handling of paperwork, divided grade levels, restricted hall walking paths, mandated mask wear, limited items brought to and from school, mandated disposable lunch materials, mandated daily temperature checks before entry, and stand ready to isolate and quarantine affected classes as required, with a backup of virtual learning courseware. At home the kids are washed up, masks cleaned, and some measure of reasonable social distancing is maintained in the home. Personal drinking cups assigned, frequent hand washing, and strict sneezing protocols are demanded! Grandma gets left alone more than she would like, but she knows we love her. We sent the kids to the pre-school and kindergarten Petri dishes when they were young, precisely to help their immune systems develop resistance. Trying to be smart about it and pray for the best. Hiding in the closet for the next two years is not sustainable. Good luck and good health to all of you in your own situations.
08-21-2020, 07:44 PM
#397
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
I agree, our elderly want to spend their last few years isolated, masked up, anti social and having the ability to watch their kids and grandkids sad, lonely and with uncertain financial futures.
Some of you amaze me with your mental deficiencies and hide in your shell mentalities.
Some of you amaze me with your mental deficiencies and hide in your shell mentalities.
08-21-2020, 08:05 PM
#398
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
...giving up on lockdowns, They are simply unsustainable:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/europ...060436955.html
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/europ...060436955.html
Have you seen the death per million of individual states that have been hardest hit? Many are 1 to 2,000 deaths per million and they have nearly as big of a population as those European countries. Only one country is over 1000 deaths on your list and it’s San Marino. I wonder what deaths per million is if Europe was a country. Stop making it seem like we have done good.
08-21-2020, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
Have you seen the death per million of individual states that have been hardest hit? Many are 1 to 2,000 deaths per million and they have nearly as big of a population as those European countries. Only one country is over 1000 deaths on your list and it’s San Marino. I wonder what deaths per million is if Europe was a country. Stop making it seem like we have done good.
08-21-2020, 09:05 PM
#400
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
Have you seen the death per million of individual states that have been hardest hit? Many are 1 to 2,000 deaths per million and they have nearly as big of a population as those European countries. Only one country is over 1000 deaths on your list and it’s San Marino. I wonder what deaths per million is if Europe was a country. Stop making it seem like we have done good.
OF COURSE I’ve seen those figures for US states. Only five of fifty are in excess of a thousand deaths per million, and for four of those it’s significantly attributable to the bone headed move of state mandated movement of contagious COVID patients to nursing homes full of very vulnerable people.
and if you want to perform the same fractionation process in Europe, picking out the 10% highest fatality rate provinces, or stadts, you’ll find much the same result.
Now if you have some better system than comparing population MEANS to determine rates of infection, do tell. Mathematicians and statisticians haven’t been able to come up with much of anything better for centuries but I’m sure they would appreciate you telling them where they’ve gone wrong.
As for:
Stop making it seem like we have done good.
1. You lack the authority (not to mention the credibility) to give me orders.
2. I post the FACTS. If the FACTS make it seem to you that “we have done good”, then maybe you ought to reconsider your own opinion that we haven’t “done good”.
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