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05-13-2017 | 10:16 AM
#171
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Nope...all the contract says is that you must be converted in seniority order for your specific AE. What happens in other/subsequent AEs is not considered.
05-13-2017 | 10:27 AM
#172
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Seniority is honored within each AE. It is not a consideration across previous or subsequent AEs. Each AE bid stands on it's own, therefore if a non 365 AE were published next month, the last conversions would convert ahead of some bidders on this AE, regardless of seniority.
05-13-2017 | 01:01 PM
#173
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Ok now I'm totally confused. Let's say a junior NYC 717 A, still senior to some pilots awarded the DTW 717 A on the last AE, had a displacement bid for DTW 717 A on this AE. So...do the last AE "more junior" DTW 717 A pilots get converted, as per the previous award, while the "more senior" NYC 717 A pilot gets displaced to something else? Or does the company reshuffle everything looking at seniority as a whole, displacing pilots in seniority order? And how does that work with training? How about if the more junior DTW 717 A pilots were in the middle of their 300 series; do they get pulled off of it, and right into a new plane? I am so lost.
05-13-2017 | 04:26 PM
#174
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I believe the more senior pilot displaces to anywhere they have a junior pilot in category. The company can then decide what it does with the overages created. I believe many such overages will be left alone due to the high attrition the future brings. Another issue is training cost and availability. To make all this work they most absorb some overage to save training costs and maintain availability.
05-14-2017 | 04:27 AM
#175
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When I say Huge training churn I don't mean anything that can not be handled. I just mean they can delay training until after the busy summer season. I do disagree with the second half of your post. When was the last time we had 4 bids within a 12 month period with over 500 AE positions on each bid?
I don't ever remember 4 big positive bids in one year.
Scoop
I don't ever remember 4 big positive bids in one year.
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05-14-2017 | 06:28 AM
#176
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What the posts above were saying is that for training (not talking displacements) someone junior to you could convert, prior to you, if they get the award on a different AE. Say I was the most junior guy awarded DTW717A on this year long AE. Most likely I would train sometime next spring. If we have an AE in August and someone 100 numbers junior to me, is the most senior guy awarded that position...he very well could train before me. Unfortunately, there is no pay protection for that scenario.
Clear as mud?
05-14-2017 | 06:38 AM
#177
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And....to add to that, you only look to your own category (i.e., DTW717A). In theory, within your AE, they could train all the NYC717As first, even though they are the most junior, and then train more senior DTW717As and that does not trigger pay protection either.
05-14-2017 | 07:48 AM
#179
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Today's numbers don't reflect what's about to happen once they close the NYC MD88 category, I'm guessing the A320/321's will be doing a lot more out of all three NYC airports in the future. For instance, right now there's a lot of MD88's flying MCO-JFK, hopeful that will be A321's soon.
05-14-2017 | 08:27 AM
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From: Wind checker
LGA departures are up a ton on the 320 and I hope you like ATL because it seems that most Florida patterns touch it coming or going now. The 320 is definitely picking a bunch of the 88 stuff already. It seems the 717 has ramped up EWR because our departures out of there have dropped.
