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06-21-2017, 10:13 AM
#61
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Nope. I just warrant the professionalism that YOU claim you possess when someone (or the company negotiators) smirks about the salary you claim you deserve.
We AREN'T "glorified button pushers" but the company negotiators thank you mightily for perpetuating that stereotype, especially when it comes time for openers next round of contract talks.
And I didn't "save" anything. I just ensured that a highly offensive piece of clothing wasn't going to be worn on my flight, and I expect most of the captains would have done the same. That's the only time in 2.5 years of wearing four stripes that I've even had to have that conversation. It is hardly a common occurrence.
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We AREN'T "glorified button pushers" but the company negotiators thank you mightily for perpetuating that stereotype, especially when it comes time for openers next round of contract talks.
And I didn't "save" anything. I just ensured that a highly offensive piece of clothing wasn't going to be worn on my flight, and I expect most of the captains would have done the same. That's the only time in 2.5 years of wearing four stripes that I've even had to have that conversation. It is hardly a common occurrence.
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06-21-2017, 12:35 PM
#62
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Originally Posted by ecam
I don't know why you're so angry. I simply stated MY OPINION that it's best to mind your own business and not get involved with interpersonal conflicts and why I feel that way. Cause, you know, this is a message board, and that's what people do. But as you continue to show as you brag how badas you are with the T shirt "incident", you don't get that and seem to object to ANY opinions you disagree with. So you're welcome to your opinion and thanks for sharing?
I'll bow out now. Much of this thread is arguing over "technique" versus "procedure."
06-21-2017, 01:12 PM
#63
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I can promise you that I'm not angry at all. In fact I might even buy you a beer in some future universe. I'm just disagreeing with you. You are correct in that we can't and shouldn't be fashioning ourselves as the behavior police all over the place. But there are (rare) occasions where we need to "own" this profession, and sometimes that extends beyond the cockpit door out into the gate area or underneath on the ramp. It's rare, and the point of this thread in the first place.
I'll bow out now. Much of this thread is arguing over "technique" versus "procedure."
I'll bow out now. Much of this thread is arguing over "technique" versus "procedure."
06-21-2017, 03:22 PM
#64
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Let me guess. You think you deserve $300/hr (or more)? Act like it. I don't think that the OP was being a jerk about it (and he IS retired FedEx/Delta) and maybe should have just shook his head and forgotten all about it.
But at some point you either warrant that uniform, 3 or 4 stripes and the money we all claim we deserve, or we don't. Very few pilots are "spoiling" for anything other than a routine trip, but there are times when we need to step up just a little bit, even if it is a bit of a hassle and not necessarily within the confines of the airplane. I really don't give a...flip....what any snowflake in HR thinks either. The pax can video me all day long, because all they will record is someone acting in an even-tempered, professional manner.
I had a passenger that literally had the "F" word in large print on the back of her t-shirt, while waiting in the gate area for the flight I was flying. I walked up to her and very politely (and discreetly) said, "If you want to fly on this plane you will have to cover that up." I didn't raise my voice, nor make a "scene." She did comply and put another shirt on over it and that was the end of it. The gate agent thanked me, by the way.
I think we can at least do that much. And yes, there are no doubt a handful of guys out there "spoiling" for a scene or confrontation. Most of us aren't.
But at some point you either warrant that uniform, 3 or 4 stripes and the money we all claim we deserve, or we don't. Very few pilots are "spoiling" for anything other than a routine trip, but there are times when we need to step up just a little bit, even if it is a bit of a hassle and not necessarily within the confines of the airplane. I really don't give a...flip....what any snowflake in HR thinks either. The pax can video me all day long, because all they will record is someone acting in an even-tempered, professional manner.
I had a passenger that literally had the "F" word in large print on the back of her t-shirt, while waiting in the gate area for the flight I was flying. I walked up to her and very politely (and discreetly) said, "If you want to fly on this plane you will have to cover that up." I didn't raise my voice, nor make a "scene." She did comply and put another shirt on over it and that was the end of it. The gate agent thanked me, by the way.
I think we can at least do that much. And yes, there are no doubt a handful of guys out there "spoiling" for a scene or confrontation. Most of us aren't.
06-21-2017, 04:17 PM
#65
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Ok, I got my panties in a wad because an employee was demeaning my former/ their current employer in a public venue.....and no, I don't have a FOM any longer .
Seven pages later, this has devolved into a series of pilot v pilot ad-hominem attacks........never my intention.
If nothing else, it has pointed out an isolated issue, and allowed the posting of many views.
Now, back to mom's basement where my backpack and I belong...
Stay safe,
Butt-Hurt Bill
Seven pages later, this has devolved into a series of pilot v pilot ad-hominem attacks........never my intention.
If nothing else, it has pointed out an isolated issue, and allowed the posting of many views.
Now, back to mom's basement where my backpack and I belong...
Stay safe,
Butt-Hurt Bill
06-21-2017, 05:48 PM
#68
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Originally Posted by FedElta
Ok, I got my panties in a wad because an employee was demeaning my former/ their current employer in a public venue.....and no, I don't have a FOM any longer .
Seven pages later, this has devolved into a series of pilot v pilot ad-hominem attacks........never my intention.
If nothing else, it has pointed out an isolated issue, and allowed the posting of many views.
Now, back to mom's basement where my backpack and I belong...
Stay safe,
Butt-Hurt Bill
Seven pages later, this has devolved into a series of pilot v pilot ad-hominem attacks........never my intention.
If nothing else, it has pointed out an isolated issue, and allowed the posting of many views.
Now, back to mom's basement where my backpack and I belong...
Stay safe,
Butt-Hurt Bill
06-21-2017, 05:51 PM
#69
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Originally Posted by FedElta
Ok, I got my panties in a wad because an employee was demeaning my former/ their current employer in a public venue.....and no, I don't have a FOM any longer .
Seven pages later, this has devolved into a series of pilot v pilot ad-hominem attacks........never my intention.
If nothing else, it has pointed out an isolated issue, and allowed the posting of many views.
Now, back to mom's basement where my backpack and I belong...
Stay safe,
Butt-Hurt Bill
Seven pages later, this has devolved into a series of pilot v pilot ad-hominem attacks........never my intention.
If nothing else, it has pointed out an isolated issue, and allowed the posting of many views.
Now, back to mom's basement where my backpack and I belong...
Stay safe,
Butt-Hurt Bill
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