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Old 10-29-2006, 10:49 PM   #1  
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Default Age 60 Public Comment Period

The period for public comment regarding the Age 60 rule is open until November 15th. You can make comments or read what others have stated at the following web sites:

1st website:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResu...rchType=docket

Click the "Comments/Submission" button to add your 2 cents to docket # FAA-2006-26139. You can also just scroll down to docket #FAA-2006-26139 to read what others have submitted.

2nd website:

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main

Select the FAA as the agency and type in "Age 60" in the search block.
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Old 10-30-2006, 10:09 AM   #2  
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To All,

Itís a waste of time trying to convince these greedy pilots of what they are really doing Ė stealing money and seniority numbers from the junior pilots. Their reasoning is irrational. They are not changing a contract. They are trying to alter a Federal law. One that has been in place for over 40 years and which we were all hired under. We all based our career decisions on retiring at age 60 Ė all of us.

Write your reps in Congress and let the FAA know your desires. Iím down in Texas and Kay Bailey Hutchison is moving her position from a definite yes to one of a definite maybe. The tide is switching due to your involvement and letters. The older greedy pilots have been very vocal on this Ė letís beat them at their own game.

Let the FAA know that if this POS does pass, then all pilots over the age of 60 must go to the end of the seniority list. Itís the fairest and safest way.

Ask yourself how safe a 64 Ĺ year old pilot would be flying 6 legs in one day with the last one down to mins, on a short wet runway, with 30 knots of crosswind. Would you trust your family on this flight? Where is the data suggesting this is safe? I give you a hint Ė there is none. They also donít own their seats or seniority numbers. If the age changes, our contracts will have to be renegotiated. Donít let their greed overcome safety and hurt your career.

Itís your seniority number and your careers they are trying to alter. Donít let them do it!

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one arbitrary age for another... where will it end? Let me out at 60, the rest of y'all do what ever you want.
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To All,

It’s a waste of time trying to convince these greedy pilots of what they are really doing – stealing money and seniority numbers from the junior pilots. Their reasoning is irrational. They are not changing a contract. They are trying to alter a Federal law. One that has been in place for over 40 years and which we were all hired under. We all based our career decisions on retiring at age 60 – all of us.

Write your reps in Congress and let the FAA know your desires. I’m down in Texas and Kay Bailey Hutchison is moving her position from a definite yes to one of a definite maybe. The tide is switching due to your involvement and letters. The older greedy pilots have been very vocal on this – let’s beat them at their own game.

Let the FAA know that if this POS does pass, then all pilots over the age of 60 must go to the end of the seniority list. It’s the fairest and safest way.

Ask yourself how safe a 64 Ĺ year old pilot would be flying 6 legs in one day with the last one down to mins, on a short wet runway, with 30 knots of crosswind. Would you trust your family on this flight? Where is the data suggesting this is safe? I give you a hint – there is none. They also don’t own their seats or seniority numbers. If the age changes, our contracts will have to be renegotiated. Don’t let their greed overcome safety and hurt your career.

It’s your seniority number and your careers they are trying to alter. Don’t let them do it!

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Greedy pilots. Yep, except that it certainly describes you!

Yes, the age was 60 when I hired, but then so was a viable pension.

Consider that even the US Constitution has gone through a few changes since its inception.

For the record I left at age 58-1/2 with a valid first class medical and no reason to leave except I was tired after so many years. So spare me of your sanctimonious B.S. Guys like you sure make me glad I went early.

I remember walking a picket line over a B-scale with senior guys who stood to gain nothing and indeed a few who actually retired on strike carrying a "No B-Scale" sign. But they wanted to do the right thing for the profession and for those not yet even on the property.

I hold THOSE men in the highest regard for they were true professionals.

Oh, and by the way I will write congress about the age 60 rule - to up it to 65. I haven't yet, as I was uncertain whether I should or not, but you helped to convince me. 'Appreciate that!

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To All,

Itís a waste of time trying to convince these greedy pilots of what they are really doing Ė stealing money and seniority numbers from the junior pilots. Their reasoning is irrational. They are not changing a contract. They are trying to alter a Federal law. One that has been in place for over 40 years and which we were all hired under. We all based our career decisions on retiring at age 60 Ė all of us.

Write your reps in Congress and let the FAA know your desires. Iím down in Texas and Kay Bailey Hutchison is moving her position from a definite yes to one of a definite maybe. The tide is switching due to your involvement and letters. The older greedy pilots have been very vocal on this Ė letís beat them at their own game.

Let the FAA know that if this POS does pass, then all pilots over the age of 60 must go to the end of the seniority list. Itís the fairest and safest way.

Ask yourself how safe a 64 Ĺ year old pilot would be flying 6 legs in one day with the last one down to mins, on a short wet runway, with 30 knots of crosswind. Would you trust your family on this flight? Where is the data suggesting this is safe? I give you a hint Ė there is none. They also donít own their seats or seniority numbers. If the age changes, our contracts will have to be renegotiated. Donít let their greed overcome safety and hurt your career.

Itís your seniority number and your careers they are trying to alter. Donít let them do it!

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AA767 boy,

At 47 with no desire to work past 60, I am willing to give up working. I currently am in a position that probably will allow me to do so. Based on where you are would you be willing to do the same? Will this industry be good to you? It has been good to me (you know anything about baseball?) but I don't know about 13 yrs from now.

Just so you know, I felt the same way when I flew with my father on his "last flight" in 1993. It was all about age discrimination then and nothing has changed. The selfishness still exists. Can you recognize who is the selfish one?
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Old 10-30-2006, 04:00 PM   #6  
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AA767 boy,

At 47 with no desire to work past 60, I am willing to give up working. I currently am in a position that probably will allow me to do so. Based on where you are would you be willing to do the same? Will this industry be good to you? It has been good to me (you know anything about baseball?) but I don't know about 13 yrs from now.

Just so you know, I felt the same way when I flew with my father on his "last flight" in 1993. It was all about age discrimination then and nothing has changed. The selfishness still exists. Can you recognize who is the selfish one?
Common Dude,
It's selfishness all around. There are VERY few people here who can give an opinion-one way or the other-where that opinion doesn't affect them. We were all hired under this rule. Lets live with it. If those that are for changing the rule SOLEY because of age discrimination, then they should be proposing that everyone who is age 23 and gets a ATP can retire at 65 FROM THIS DATE FORWARD. NOT RETROACTIVELY. Now everyone is happy. Rule has changed and the junior guys don't get screwed.
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Old 10-30-2006, 04:04 PM   #7  
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It is high time for the United States to follow the lead of forward thinking nations around the world who have broken through the age 60 barrier. The ďAge 60 RuleĒ should be repealed. A repeal is long overdue, and this time - more than ever before - the FAA knows it, most pilots know it, passengers know it, and our senators and congressmen - whose offices acknowledge that the majority of the calls and letters and faxes they receive favor repeal (despite ALPA's best and costliest efforts) - know it.

If the junior pilots of today want to have the choice of working past age 60 someday, then those junior pilots must understand that this change must happen NOW. The appropriateness and the circumstances that could effect a change to happen have never been better than they are today and those circumstances may never again become any better. If it should fail, we may never again see an opportunity to abolish the ďAge 60 RuleĒ.
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If the junior pilots of today want to have the choice of working past age 60 someday, then those junior pilots must understand that this change must happen NOW. The appropriateness and the circumstances that could effect a change to happen have never been better than they are today and those circumstances may never again become any better. If it should fail, we may never again see an opportunity to abolish the ďAge 60 RuleĒ.
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The time has never been better Ė with over 2800 hundred pilots still on active furlough at AA Ė who are you kidding?

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If it should fail, we may never again see an opportunity to abolish the ďAge 60 RuleĒ.
We could only hope.
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I plan to write my congressman and let him know since the age 60 thing is only age discrimination that they should not stop at age 65. Any 18 yr old should be able to get his/her ATP, if they are qualified to pass the test they should be able to hold the rating. Likewise, for the poor age 66 guys/gals, the new age 65 rule would not be fair either. If they can hold a medical and pass a PC, they should be in the skies. Let's be a real "foward thinking" nation.
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