And your answering machine recording should say:

"You have reached (#). For English, press 1.....
If this is Crew Scheduling, verify by entering my employee #...
If you are offering me a lousy trip, you have reached a wrong #...
If you are offering me a primo green slip, hold for an operator....".

 

Lol....exactly.

Kinda reminds me of the outsourced Continental.Crew Scheduling clip from several years ago. "Hello, this is Floyd."

 

No one disputes this. And no one is advocating that you answer the phone, see what the trip is, evaluate it based on your preferences and only then decide if you want to accept it or not, all while you are in position and available for it regardless.

But your unique and extreme interpretation implies that if you have a blanket GS in, you can't have a drink. Or have child care issues come up. Or be on the road anything further than SC distances, or something. That is plainly false. Heck, if that were anywhere close to being true, then you couldn't have a blanket GS in at all, even if you lived 15 minutes away with bags perpetually packed, because you'd still need rest, so you could only blanket GS one base at a time for 14 hours max at a time. Right? Come on.

In fact, not only are you required in such an insane fantasy environment to pre-block a 10 hour rest period, you're also therefore required to whittle down your max duty day for any potential GS even during the time you're willing to do it. So every hour you'd better adjust your GS preferences to take an hour off what you can do, etc. Right?

Come on.

So of course its not a proffer. But if you can't physically (or legally) do it, then you can't do it. Answering the phone changes nothing, nor is it any form or fashion of misconduct or guilt in such a case.

 

Huh....you do spin up easily.

Not sure reciting the PWA and the SRH language qualifies as a "unique and extreme" interpretation but apparently so in your world. Unfortunately, there is zero language in our PWA which supports your argument and negates the language of 23.Q.8(a). However, if you kept reading my "unique and extreme" interpretation, you would see I supported your position based on accepted current and past practices by scheduling. In short, if you are too far away, been drinking, have child care issues, etc., don't answer the phone. Problem solved. No answer, no contact, no issue.

I then went on to explain that even though this is how it is written, the current and past practice has been to treat it more as a proffer. And, because scheduling has been doing that so often and for so long, DALPA would have a viable grievance against the company should the company choose to take adverse action against a pilot by holding them to the express language of the PWA. Further, it doesn't cost the company any money to move down the GS list (as opposed to moving from WS to GS). As someone said earlier, they are out of single pay bodies and are now into premium pay. The next pilot down is either paid the same as you or less while the vacancy remains. If the company started to hold us to the exact terms of the PWA, the company would have a hard time making the case that pilots are in a concerted "No OT" action when the past practices are abruptly changed by the company. Pilots would likely only put in GS requests tempered with conservative qualifiers for what they know they can fly in order to prevent a "failure to show."

So keep putting in those blanket GS requests because that just helps the case against anyone who might be pressed by their CPO for answering the phone but not accepting the trip.

Oh....and I'm not sure where your irrelevant diatribe about my "insane fantasy environment" led to pre-blocking a 10 hour rest period for GS (never once mentioned it) but that is not the case. You might want to brush up on FAR 117.25(e). However, blanket GS or not, even in my "insane fantasy environment" the FARs still require 10 hours from release of your last trip till your GS FDP begins. Anything more than 10 hours is gravy and a non-factor.

 

If only Scheduling had to answer the phone right away.

 

I will. All day, and twice on weekends and holidays.

10 hours from your last trip isn't the issue here. I'm referring to any 10 hour period since you're required to be rested, right? So by that logic, if you put in a blanket request, what you're saying is anytime you call me, not knowing when you'll call me, 24/7, I'm ready for a max duty day. Therefore according to your extreme interpretation, you must accept any assignment if you answer the phone. Period. Otherwise you get dinged with a missed trip. Roll over in a fog at 2am when you only got to bed at midnight and accidentally answer the phone for a 5am show max duty day? Sorry, you either better do it or you're doing a carpet dance. Your 5 hour time to report for a NYC trip which is normally fine for most hours of the day but they call you during the evening lull in flights and you answer? Dinged for a missed trip! Spouse gets stuck at work unexpectedly before your semi-hourly GS parameters adjustment session and you have no child care? Sorry, you answered so you're screwed. Fire up the systems board cause you're going down for your crimes!

Again, you're wrong. But if you really believe a tenth of what you're trying to convince others of WRT this, then it should be super easy for you to get that jaw dropping game changing declaratory judgement from DALPA that basically says almost all OBGS are contractually illegal, as is any in base GS that you can't promptly report for 24/7, or at least the act of answering the phone makes them illegal. LOL yeah right. We're all waiting on the memo.

Please don't ever run for status rep if that's how you think.

 

Wow...you really can't read can you?? I almost thought.you were ranting about my post, lol. Pretty sure I was agreeing with you xcpt for your whacky out-of-nowhere 10 hour rest diatribe. Again, read FAR 117.25(e) and you will see how baseless your statement was.

Amazing....

I hope you become my rep solely for the entertainment factor. 😁

 

And you really can't apply common sense to this (including the contractual "big excuses" list) and are stuck on the answered/didn't answer the phone part of it.

I agreed that if you answer you're on the hook for it, if its something you can do. If not then you're not going to get a missed trip and if you did, the GS process would be significantly reduced (and same day OOB would be almost gone) and no one wants that. I don't know why you're lobbying so hard for that interpretation of it.

 

Again... Where is this "big excuses" list in the contract? Find me the reference instead of just telling us we're wrong.

Nobody is lobbying hard for this interpretation. FL370esq hit the nail on the head. The company is obviously not holding many pilot's feet to the fire when it comes to answering phones on green slips (although, they could and that's my argument). I think it benefits everybody if the company is easy going when it comes to making pilots fly overtime trips. The only problem with blanket green slips for scheduling is that it wastes a scheduler's time calling people who have no intention of flying certain trips. Go ahead and talk to a scheduling supervisor. Ask them yourself. They don't like it. It makes an already labor intensive job more difficult. It takes a minute or two just to put a couple qualifiers in but saves scheduling a ton of headache when manually dialing the phone numbers of possibly hundreds of pilots.

 

Again....if you could actually read, you would see I was agreeing with you. Well...except the 10 hour off-the-reservation rant. Again, try to read FAR 117.25 and you will see your diatribe was irrelevant because it ain't no factor.

Thanks for the entertainment though. 😁