Green Slip Question
08-08-2017 | 02:22 PM
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I have always used 15 minutes. I usually call back within 10 but have then spent 25 on hold and hung up on. Called back immediately and put on hold again. 40 minutes later I was told nevermind we have it covered. Granted this was with the old phone system. There was never any intent to get out of anything. However, it was a learning experience and now I'm aware of that possibility.
Go shake your fists elsewhere.
Go shake your fists elsewhere.
08-08-2017 | 02:38 PM
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08-08-2017 | 02:51 PM
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Phone is plugged into the wall to stay charged so I don't miss that life changing call.
I'm not. (Plugged into the wall, that is) I live up north, snowflakes are beautiful and unlike any other, get enough of them together and you can have some real fun. Thanks for the name calling back handed compliment. Besides, if the phone rings it interrupts my thumb typing. They can wait a minute.
I'm not. (Plugged into the wall, that is) I live up north, snowflakes are beautiful and unlike any other, get enough of them together and you can have some real fun. Thanks for the name calling back handed compliment. Besides, if the phone rings it interrupts my thumb typing. They can wait a minute.
08-08-2017 | 02:53 PM
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Dude. You're really trying to make something out of nothing here.
"Blanket" Green Slips are extremely common and done all the time by pilots. In and out of base. All. The. Time. By everyone. All the time.
It is 100% legit to answer and then not be able to do them because you're not physically in range or just took a sip of Macallans 25 etc. The parameters thing is just a rough guide. No one can or ever will be expected to keep a live rolling update of all in and out of base "time til report" as you live your life on your days off and drive to the other side of town or take a sip of a drink or a spouse has something come up and now you're watching the kids or adjust it for your rolling rest requirements etc. That is NOT REALISTIC, it isn't a thing and will never be a thing. Ever. It will never be a thing.
If they ever tried to interpret it as such, and having one in meant by default you're a 24/7 short call pilot immediately available with no issues fully rested, then that would make GS requests extremely rare. They don't want that. All to save what, 10 seconds on the phone with someone? Please.
You are literally the only person at the airline who is even attempting to interpret it like that. I have "turned down" more GS than I can count, on the phone with skeds, because I put in blanket ones and for whatever reason couldn't do them. They always thanked me for answering the phone and saving them 10 minutes.
Now, again, if your major issue here is simply saying "nah, I could do it but that trip just isn't to my fancy, so I'm exercising my pilot prerogative to bypass" or something, then yes, you might have to answer for that. But you're taking this to such an extreme extent that a blanket GS according to your logic isn't even FAR117 legal to put in if your interpretation was correct (which is why its not).
So call ALPA and request a declatory judgement on this if you want to. In the EXTREMELY unlikely event they side with you, the company will squash it hard (and might even call it a job action) because they LOVE the blanket GS guys, even when they can't always do something. And they love it even more when they answer the phone and say "I'd love to do it but I'm X hours from the airport and/or in XYZ city so if you'll hold the flight or get me there I'd love to do it".
"Blanket" Green Slips are extremely common and done all the time by pilots. In and out of base. All. The. Time. By everyone. All the time.
It is 100% legit to answer and then not be able to do them because you're not physically in range or just took a sip of Macallans 25 etc. The parameters thing is just a rough guide. No one can or ever will be expected to keep a live rolling update of all in and out of base "time til report" as you live your life on your days off and drive to the other side of town or take a sip of a drink or a spouse has something come up and now you're watching the kids or adjust it for your rolling rest requirements etc. That is NOT REALISTIC, it isn't a thing and will never be a thing. Ever. It will never be a thing.
If they ever tried to interpret it as such, and having one in meant by default you're a 24/7 short call pilot immediately available with no issues fully rested, then that would make GS requests extremely rare. They don't want that. All to save what, 10 seconds on the phone with someone? Please.
You are literally the only person at the airline who is even attempting to interpret it like that. I have "turned down" more GS than I can count, on the phone with skeds, because I put in blanket ones and for whatever reason couldn't do them. They always thanked me for answering the phone and saving them 10 minutes.
Now, again, if your major issue here is simply saying "nah, I could do it but that trip just isn't to my fancy, so I'm exercising my pilot prerogative to bypass" or something, then yes, you might have to answer for that. But you're taking this to such an extreme extent that a blanket GS according to your logic isn't even FAR117 legal to put in if your interpretation was correct (which is why its not).
So call ALPA and request a declatory judgement on this if you want to. In the EXTREMELY unlikely event they side with you, the company will squash it hard (and might even call it a job action) because they LOVE the blanket GS guys, even when they can't always do something. And they love it even more when they answer the phone and say "I'd love to do it but I'm X hours from the airport and/or in XYZ city so if you'll hold the flight or get me there I'd love to do it".
I would add the scheduler, airline, and our interests and imperative is to cover the trip. if they are calling you on a gs....it means they are out of staffing. its pretty sure I'm not alone in answering a gs call....that then became a mutually agreeable negotiation that meets the needs of both parties.
from adjusting report time, to maybe even a ps seat....its all been done. one holiday gs call, the scheduler offered 3 trips she had no staffing for....'pick any one you want.....just please take one!'
there are a lot of new people in scheduling. idk if they have fully developed the above understanding of the relationship. the old heads would always leave message with rotation details....the newer ones may give you a rotation number and nothing else. which only delays the acknowledgement process.
one very recent oobgs call I answered...I told scheduler I was not in position to get to atl in an hour. she informed me 'a gs is not a proffer'.....uhhh, ok. you can show me acknowledged if you want....but that doesn't change the reality I'm hours away.
the IROP after action report was very informative. delta has a tremendous dependency on pilots volunteering to work ot. and in the example atl m88 category....the majority of pilots had willingly made themselves available if needed.
problem was, a lot simply were not viable for recovery efforts due to refinements in trip construction causing FAR limit conflicts.
its an arrangement that has benefitted all parties. and has worked because all parties have approached the deal with reasonable expectations.
08-08-2017 | 02:59 PM
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Phone is plugged into the wall to stay charged so I don't miss that life changing call.
I'm not. (Plugged into the wall, that is) I live up north, snowflakes are beautiful and unlike any other, get enough of them together and you can have some real fun. Thanks for the name calling back handed compliment. Besides, if the phone rings it interrupts my thumb typing. They can wait a minute.
I'm not. (Plugged into the wall, that is) I live up north, snowflakes are beautiful and unlike any other, get enough of them together and you can have some real fun. Thanks for the name calling back handed compliment. Besides, if the phone rings it interrupts my thumb typing. They can wait a minute.
08-08-2017 | 03:15 PM
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From now on I'll just forward the call to my pager and look for a pay phone so as to not delay the timely return of a scheduling summons. 
1992 called and it wants it's efficiency back.
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE ANSWER THAT DAM PHONE.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1l4JaX19vc
1992 called and it wants it's efficiency back.
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE ANSWER THAT DAM PHONE.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1l4JaX19vc
08-08-2017 | 03:31 PM
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From now on I'll just forward the call to my pager and look for a pay phone so as to not delay the timely return of a scheduling summons.
1992 called and it wants it's efficiency back.
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE ANSWER THAT DAM PHONE.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1l4JaX19vc
1992 called and it wants it's efficiency back.
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE ANSWER THAT DAM PHONE.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1l4JaX19vc
08-08-2017 | 03:50 PM
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...because they LOVE the blanket GS guys, even when they can't always do something. And they love it even more when they answer the phone and say "I'd love to do it but I'm X hours from the airport and/or in XYZ city so if you'll hold the flight or get me there I'd love to do it".
I'm obviously not going to convince you.
08-08-2017 | 04:12 PM
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No problem. Just show me that PWA reference. I'll be waiting.
Scheduling doesn't love the blanket green slip guys. Quite the opposite. I know because I've talked to several schedulers including supervisors. It wastes their time when they're trying to get trips covered and working thru the phone list.
I'm obviously not going to convince you.
Scheduling doesn't love the blanket green slip guys. Quite the opposite. I know because I've talked to several schedulers including supervisors. It wastes their time when they're trying to get trips covered and working thru the phone list.
I'm obviously not going to convince you.
you do realize there is a standing federal court injunction against this pilot group regarding making ourselves available to work ot?
And that in federal court management obtained and in the dark of night served 49 'john doe' search warrants on the homes and property of 49 randomly selected line pilots??
So when your scheduling contacts 'complain' about blanket gs submitters....maybe you should provide them that little history lesson. And point out perhaps those annoying 'volunteers' are really in fact doing nothing more than taking reasonable precautions that their homes and families will not be invaded by federal LEOS at 4 o'clock in the morning.
for doing nothing more than exercising the desire to enjoy ones time off with family and friends.
I'm guessing dragging scheduling comm links with pilots into this century will solve the complaints. a text notification of a gs proffer, perhaps even displaying the rotation... is all it would take.
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08-08-2017 | 04:42 PM
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