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08-27-2017, 11:52 AM

#61

sailingfun

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Originally Posted by GucciBoy

How about since Friday afternoon when the training cancellations were announced? Did you miss the part about 13 trips in open time? By the way, no straight pickups on the NYC M88B swap board. Keep rolling, Al.

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There were 4 long trips covered for the last two days by straight reserves. No one wanted or needed to pick them up apparently. If you add the option for a OOB WS there were and are tons of options to pick up time. You don't have to rebuild your line instantly. They will all do fine. They are GS trips in ATL as we speak.

08-27-2017, 12:09 PM

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0666 was covered today. It was not in open time and is reserve only. 5431 was covered yesterday and is an absolutely terrible trip. Multiple 4-leg days and short layovers in crap locations in between. Bonus: it's a Newark trip. No lineholder wanted that trip, and I see why. 6171 seems like the only decent trip in the coverage today/yesterday, and that's only because it's being compared to the festering piles left in open time. Oh, and by the way, all of these trips are in THIS bid period, not the bid period in which all the M88 pilots are getting the shaft.

I'll wait here.

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08-27-2017, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

They are GS trips in ATL as we speak.

Yes, on a weekend day in Atl, on the 27th of the month, guys with 6xxx seniority are getting GS#1. Things are looking great.

08-27-2017, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

If your the first airline to hire after a period of years with no hiring and you're also the only decent airline hiring it kind of stands to reason you will have a above average applicant pool and a higher take rate.

Could you seriously post more bad info on this thread? You're beyond Jerry level today.

08-27-2017, 03:17 PM

#65

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A buddy was pretty dang senior. He was usually able to get trips that started or ended with a DH to the city in which he lives. He was also able to get nice trips with few legs and good layovers. I'm guessing he's not going to be filling his schedule with those types of trips out of open time.

Sailing....the bigger point is these dudes, with little to zero notice are forced into a crappy situation. Even worse they have NO pay protection. These dudes should be protected, at least to ALV or Reserve guarantee...or more appropriately, what they had been expecting for the month. The companies lack of planning has shifted their crisis to the pilot. That's not right!

If these dudes choose to pick up OOB WS, they should get PS tickets and hotels...better yet, build the rotations into a DH and pay them!

08-27-2017, 04:40 PM

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I don't understand why they were allowed to cancel training for lack of pilots. Coverage is WAY better this year than last. No rolling thunder. No IA trips.

This sucks for everyone. The guys wanting to go to their new bids and the guys wanting slide up the seniority ladder.

08-27-2017, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Could you seriously post more bad info on this thread? You're beyond Jerry level today.

What exactly is bad on that info. Why dont you post facts. Start with how many pilots were hinted in 2011,12,13 at the major airlines. I will give you a hint. In 2014 when we resumed hiring Delta hired almost as many pilots as DAL, SWA, AMR, UAL, CAL, FedEx, UPS hired in the 3 years prior. ⅔ of that hiring or 3 years was SWA.

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08-27-2017, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Yes, on a weekend day in Atl, on the 27th of the month, guys with 6xxx seniority are getting GS#1. Things are looking great.

There were 20 plus trips covered today in ATL available to any MD88B pilot. My post was in response to a post about a dearth of trips and that pilots won't be able to build lines. A simple look at the average daily trip coverage shows that to be BS in just NY. Add in OOB and no one will hurt for time.

08-27-2017, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon20

We dont allow them anything. They operate under the contract. The contract has a process for canceling training.

08-27-2017, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

What exactly is bad on that info. Why dont you post facts. Start with how many pilots were hinted in 2011,12,13 at the major airlines.

Quite a few, actually. The flood gates really opened in 2014, but we sure as heck weren't the first to the game and missed out on a lot of good people from 2011-2013.

Thanks again for posting more poor info on someplace you claim to have so much poor info... one of our highest contributors!