sailingfun

From 2009-2013 a five year span the hiring averaged just over 200 a year mostly by SWA. The hiring is now over 4000 a year. The amazing thing is the take rate has changed so little.

sailingfun

Once again you reply with zero facts. Try here to start your research.
https://fapa.aero/hiringhistory.asp

80ktsClamp

Here is what I responding to:
What say you, considering the data you just provided completely contradicts said statement? Quite the forum warrior.

That data left out quite a few people and airlines, by the way. Not sure who compiled it, but it is erroneous. I'll let you figure out where you went wrong...again...as usual.

TED74

Wow. This really is a "true colors" thread for you, Al!

The company screwed up. It's gonna happen, and I don't begrudge them for erring on their training forecast. Mistakes have consequences, though. Management could choose to do the right thing and pay protect the victims of this injustice (yes, Sailing, I know you see these folks only as the beneficiaries of ultimate flexibility). Unfortunately, the company is choosing not to do the right thing because it isn't the obligatory thing, and because it would add further expense to their balance sheet.

Every pilot affected by this unfortunate situation will have countless decision points ahead of them, as will their buddies watching from the sidelines. As we all know, this job affords much autonomy, in many ways that CAN translate directly into profitability (and customer service, and theoretically into JD Power, and therefore directly back into profitability). Pilots get to choose to do the "right thing" themselves, and they also get to choose not to when amorphous decision points aren't spelled out in the PWA or FOM.

When the company consistently and ignorantly makes it-first choices ahead of people-first choices, affected pilots will follow that selfish lead. When Delta sows this kind of ill-will into its people, it will reap a foul reward. As a stake-holder (I want us to do well), these bone-headed decisions by management affect our ability to all pull in the same direction and frustrate me to no end. Time after time, our management misses obvious opportunities to bring us together and instead chooses the short-sighted path to a cleaner balance sheet.

Scoop

Looking at the bigger picture it appears that marketing continuously changes direction on a dime and Flight Operations cannot keep up.

This is my first and only airline so I don't know how standard this situation is. I am sure the 88 exodus out of NYC didn't help but lets face it, marketing does not make it easy for flight ops.

I will say back when we were losing billions it was very easy to be critical but now that we are making billions I am willing to give the company some slack. I do understand the requirement for the company to have flexibility in these situations but reserve guarantee for the guys caught in the mix would seem reasonable and perhaps DALPA should look into this - especially if marketing is going to be run by someone named Sybil.

GucciBoy

Atlanta Al, this is really turning into me talking to the wall, but I can't allow you to just say random things and pass them off as accurate. I'm going to use small words. Read slowly and many times if you have to.

THERE ARE FEWER THAN 20 TRIPS IN OPEN TIME FOR NYC M88B IN THE 31 AUG BID PERIOD.

You can't just say, "There's plenty of open time in ATL, it's just as good." That is forcing someone who is NYC based to have to commute just to fill up their line. Is it the end of the world? No. But it is not normal, it's not a "good deal," and it's a less-than-ideal situation for pilots in this position. Nothing you say can change these facts. Up to now, I've offered specifics to rebut your false premise. You obviously are unable to do the same, all the while there are multiple posters reminding you that your posts in no way mirror reality.

THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

THIS IS NOT A "GOOD DEAL."

THERE WILL BE NO ROLLING THUNDER IN NYC M88B IN SEPTEMBER.

Are we done here, Atlanta Al?


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sailingfun

I guess you are a new hire and don't understand that open time is dynamic not static. There will be no shortage of trips for them to pick up. They will do fine.

crewdawg

Now they have to sit around and wait/hope for trips to pop up in open time? Just because half of Peachtree city drops their entire schedule and WS/GS everything in sight, doesn't mean the rest of the pilot group would like this option. I'm sure some will do just fine, when they WS crap trips and end up not feeling well for their trips. Ya know, operating under the contract and all.

This is not how you treat people that you expect to go above and beyond for the good of the company (say goodbye to the pax, S/E taxi, judicious use of the APU, 45 min turns from T to C concourse, etc...). They screwed up and waited until the last second to own up to it, now the 88 guys are paying for the companies mistake. I guess that's one way to anger a portion of the pilot group as we approach the next round of contract negotiations.

GucciBoy

Hey, you're right, Atlanta Al! A weekend Newark trip just popped up. 15 hours in Buffalo! Gets back to Newark at 1 a.m.! If that's not enough to entice you, it's over Labor Day!

WHERE DO I SIGN UP??


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Gunfighter

So the option offered those with training cancellations is to put yourself on short call for the entire month by bidding OOB WS? Can't you just admit several of our fellow pilots were shafted and got a raw deal?