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sailingfun 12-15-2017 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2483877)
Were you a pilot on the Delta seniority list when payrates for the 757, 762, 763, and 7er were made the same rate? If you were, you’re characterization is flat out wrong. If not, then you are not qualified to even have an opinion on the subject. The rates were indeed brought up to the ER rate. I am so tired of people who were not here claiming otherwise.

Now if your argument is that the ER rate has not kept pace with other widebody rates, I might agree with you.

Denny

You are 100% correct. The strange thing was we did not even ask for it. The company just showed up and offered to bumped the all the rates to the 7ER rate and the 7ER got the same General raises as other categories.

sailingfun 12-15-2017 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2483887)
Yes I was here when that happened. I thought it was a mistake to match the rates. Two thoughts, the ER rate was too low to begin with and that has never been addressed. Second, getting the rate to where it should be will be hard since the category flies far more 757 time than ER time. The ER rate is only $10 more than the 739, but $36 less than the 764. Do you really think it’s an appropriate wide body rate? IMHO it’s an appropriate rate for the 757, but the ER should pay $15-20 more.

So when the company offered extra raises for the 757-200, 767-200 and 767-300 to match the ER rate we should have turned them down and refused the extra money?

TED74 12-15-2017 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2483877)
Were you a pilot on the Delta seniority list when payrates for the 757, 762, 763, and 7er were made the same rate? If you were, you’re characterization is flat out wrong. If not, then you are not qualified to even have an opinion on the subject.
Denny

Can anyone point me to the table that shows what issues pilots are allowed to have an opinion on, as a function of their hire date?

Green Squirrel 12-15-2017 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2483966)
Can anyone point me to the table that shows what issues pilots are allowed to have an opinion on, as a function of their hire date?

It’s somewhere in your surface tablet. ;)

Mesabah 12-15-2017 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by FogSkier (Post 2483095)
I suspect that this order MAY get Boeing to commit to their M.O.M new narrow body and that will probably be on that list.

Hopefully everything DL orders from here on out has a headrest!!

The A321 can be stretched to cover the MOM segment, with the engine that Delta is now the MRO for. Neither a reissued 757 or 737 can meet takeoff certification requirements, without sacrificing fuel economy in this market, thus requiring a entirely new designed 797. I don't know if it makes financial sense for Delta to buy the 797, when these 100 options can be converted to an A321neo stretch with the volume discount. Obviously, more than just 75 Cseries are coming as well, so it's going to be all Airbii for a while.

Also, before the merger, I was working on the 787 Goldcare MRO at NWA, which Boeing screwed Delta out of. I don't think we will ever see the 787 in Delta colors for that reason.

sailingfun 12-15-2017 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2484014)
The A321 can be stretched to cover the MOM segment, with the engine that Delta is now the MRO for. Neither a reissued 757 or 737 can meet takeoff certification requirements, without sacrificing fuel economy in this market, thus requiring a entirely new designed 797. I don't know if it makes financial sense for Delta to buy the 797, when these 100 options can be converted to an A321neo stretch with the volume discount. Obviously, more than just 75 Cseries are coming as well, so it's going to be all Airbii for a while.

Also, before the merger, I was working on the 787 Goldcare MRO at NWA, which Boeing screwed Delta out of. I don't think we will ever see the 787 in Delta colors for that reason.

The A321 probably can't be stretched again. It's out of both wing and landing gear. It can't even come close to a 767ER replacement which is what MOM is targeting. Airlines want a 225 seat 3 class international aircraft that can go 5500 miles and carry cargo. There is nothing in that market segment hence the rumor that 767 passenger production might resume.

Herkflyr 12-15-2017 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2484023)
Airlines want a 225 seat 3 class international aircraft that can go 5500 miles and carry cargo. There is nothing in that market segment hence the rumor that 767 passenger production might resume.

I just work here but geez. You'd think a killer 1-2 combo like 757/767 that was designed 30+ yrs ago would have a compelling, newer and better version of itself available in the marketplace. Too bad that's just not the case.



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Milk Man 12-15-2017 11:18 AM

What about the 330-800 NEO, says 257 seats with 7500 nm range.

Mesabah 12-15-2017 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2484032)
I just work here but geez. You'd think a killer 1-2 combo like 757/767 that was designed 30+ yrs ago would have a compelling, newer and better version of itself available in the marketplace. Too bad that's just not the case.



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You can't get there with the current engine tech. That's why you are stuck with a further stretch of the A321, or the 767.

Gunfighter 12-15-2017 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2484023)
The A321 probably can't be stretched again. It's out of both wing and landing gear.

Give it to a Boeing engineer. They could have an A329 by 2047.


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