Max pickup
05-11-2018 | 08:42 AM
#21
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You misunderstand,
This in not against the union at all. In fact it is the opposite. I fully support the union and the collective bargaining agreement that was membership ratified....You know , the one that has allowed us to fly back vacation and swap with the pot above ALV+15. It has been the status quo (because it has been in effect since around PBS intro....so a lot of years) for a long, long time.
So, if the membership wants to tweak provisions that materially effects bidding seniority, I have no problem....just allow at least 2 years prior to implementation so I can bid to a category that pays much more hourly because my category super seniority will be worth much less.
I'm always thankful that there is a way for me to easily dump a trip on the swap board when there isn't reserve coverage, as well as the ability to pick a trip up
The bit about the union is in reference to bygone era's (stories from my dad) where the employees would go down to the union hall and get all spooled up and then take a strike vote based on emotion and beer....you know...kinda like the mindless drivel and angst about the union "studying", "exploring" ways to increase retirement income and then it gets bastardized into something unrecognizable here on the forum. My union would be negligent NOT to at least explore opportunities for more and present them to us in an impartial manner.
This in not against the union at all. In fact it is the opposite. I fully support the union and the collective bargaining agreement that was membership ratified....You know , the one that has allowed us to fly back vacation and swap with the pot above ALV+15. It has been the status quo (because it has been in effect since around PBS intro....so a lot of years) for a long, long time.
So, if the membership wants to tweak provisions that materially effects bidding seniority, I have no problem....just allow at least 2 years prior to implementation so I can bid to a category that pays much more hourly because my category super seniority will be worth much less.
I'm always thankful that there is a way for me to easily dump a trip on the swap board when there isn't reserve coverage, as well as the ability to pick a trip up
The bit about the union is in reference to bygone era's (stories from my dad) where the employees would go down to the union hall and get all spooled up and then take a strike vote based on emotion and beer....you know...kinda like the mindless drivel and angst about the union "studying", "exploring" ways to increase retirement income and then it gets bastardized into something unrecognizable here on the forum. My union would be negligent NOT to at least explore opportunities for more and present them to us in an impartial manner.
As with most PWA issues there are trade-offs. I bet some of the guys who were recently displaced from various categories might have a different philosophy about some guys flying 90+ hours each month.
Then again many Pilots can't seem to see a connection between these two issues.
Scoop
05-11-2018 | 09:14 AM
#22
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Or they see the correlation and acknowledge that it s already baked in due to long standing status quo
It appears that the naive pilot that bids the very bottom of the list to try to increase hits revenue, and then wants to change the rules, is complicit in trying to gore someone else's ox to line their pocket(who's being greedy now)?
It is only the new hire that is at the bottom of a category list thru no fault of their own....all(mostly) other have chosen their poison.
Scoop, I know, I know....the union needs to protect us from ourselves. Let's start with 12 hours bottle to throttle! Slippery slope, isn't it? I mean that would be for the good of all pilots wouldn't it?
It appears that the naive pilot that bids the very bottom of the list to try to increase hits revenue, and then wants to change the rules, is complicit in trying to gore someone else's ox to line their pocket(who's being greedy now)?
It is only the new hire that is at the bottom of a category list thru no fault of their own....all(mostly) other have chosen their poison.
Scoop, I know, I know....the union needs to protect us from ourselves. Let's start with 12 hours bottle to throttle! Slippery slope, isn't it? I mean that would be for the good of all pilots wouldn't it?
05-11-2018 | 09:52 AM
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True, except you've basically nullified your vacation. Guess that's no a huge deal since the vacation "week" is usually only 4 days but still.
Let's get rid of all work rules and FAR's for that matter, and let the go-getters fly to whatever "IMSAFE" standards they want, for great success.
Let's get rid of all work rules and FAR's for that matter, and let the go-getters fly to whatever "IMSAFE" standards they want, for great success.
05-11-2018 | 10:04 AM
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As with most PWA issues there are trade-offs. I bet some of the guys who were recently displaced from various categories might have a different philosophy about some guys flying 90+ hours each month.
Then again many Pilots can't seem to see a connection between these two issues.
Scoop
Then again many Pilots can't seem to see a connection between these two issues.
Scoop
05-11-2018 | 10:10 AM
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So, if I fly a 13 day trip that is a spill over trip and block in on the the first day of the new bid month with 35 hours of credit for the 1 day in the month....and I have 2 weeks vacation worth 49 hours starting on the 18th...my total pay time is 84 hours. Just how many days off do I need in that month...i have 29 days off...worked 1 day, and somehow that offends your sensibilities that I fly back that vacation time in the next 17 days. If that is working too hard, then stay home. Just don't try to insinuate that I am depriving other's of faster advancement because I am the one who is greedy.
I bid a base/equipment/position based on a lot of factors. When you want to change the game...fine. As I said before, just allow a couple of years for pilots to account for the paradigm shift and get positioned into their new utopia
I bid a base/equipment/position based on a lot of factors. When you want to change the game...fine. As I said before, just allow a couple of years for pilots to account for the paradigm shift and get positioned into their new utopia
05-11-2018 | 10:15 AM
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True, except you've basically nullified your vacation. Guess that's no a huge deal since the vacation "week" is usually only 4 days but still.
Let's get rid of all work rules and FAR's for that matter, and let the go-getters fly to whatever "IMSAFE" standards they want, for great success.
Let's get rid of all work rules and FAR's for that matter, and let the go-getters fly to whatever "IMSAFE" standards they want, for great success.
05-11-2018 | 10:16 AM
#27
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Or they see the correlation and acknowledge that it s already baked in due to long standing status quo
It appears that the naive pilot that bids the very bottom of the list to try to increase hits revenue, and then wants to change the rules, is complicit in trying to gore someone else's ox to line their pocket(who's being greedy now)?
It is only the new hire that is at the bottom of a category list thru no fault of their own....all(mostly) other have chosen their poison.
Scoop, I know, I know....the union needs to protect us from ourselves. Let's start with 12 hours bottle to throttle! Slippery slope, isn't it? I mean that would be for the good of all pilots wouldn't it?
It appears that the naive pilot that bids the very bottom of the list to try to increase hits revenue, and then wants to change the rules, is complicit in trying to gore someone else's ox to line their pocket(who's being greedy now)?
It is only the new hire that is at the bottom of a category list thru no fault of their own....all(mostly) other have chosen their poison.
Scoop, I know, I know....the union needs to protect us from ourselves. Let's start with 12 hours bottle to throttle! Slippery slope, isn't it? I mean that would be for the good of all pilots wouldn't it?
05-11-2018 | 10:42 AM
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I'll bet there are more complaints coming from guys that have upgraded to junior captain and don't see more junior guys showing up below them on the list.
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