Bucking Bar

Flying airplanes is a much better career, MHO

Big E 757

According to whom? I haven’t been following too closely to our workup to negotiations, but I KNOW that one of the top items on our agenda is going to be JV scope that is thus far unresolved....Korean and Aeromexico.

Now, our most educated guy, has been hired away from us by management, before negotiations, and “There’s nothing to see here”?

Come on, Bar. I hope you don’t believe that he will not be involved in negotiations. He might not be at the table, but he will be helping them build their case.

higney85

We can criticize, but hope he views his new gig as “for all of Delta” and doesn’t forget the fact that he is a pilot in the roots. Sometimes it works out, other times it becomes a new term of blasphemy. The fact that the “scope guy” is going to the company side, but not on the company negotiating side may be helpful. In the end, we all get a vote of “NO” if it’s bad. The company may actually want a real SME on hand for an offer to start on the same page, for once. Hey, it could happen that the company “understands” JV and codeshare to work on the same playing field. Maybe it’s not the worst scenario. Glass half full. In 6 months it may be “they understand” or could be “dig in for war”. Only time will tell. The fact that the company picked someone with said experience shows that they understand the pilots have issue with section 1. How they respond will show the resolve. Being that JV/scope is such a big issue, I want to go 51/49 that the company wants a pilot to really say “here’s the reality, before you try to deal”. Only time will tell.

notEnuf

Who pays his salary and MIP bonus? That is where his loyalty will ultimately lie. SCOPE just got 10X more important and more complicated. Bottom line needs to be more for DAL pilots not less. Keep that simple concept in mind when they start dazzling us with charts and language. Be prepared to say no if your career has more than 5 years left. And with 67+ and the shortage beware that 5 years isn't that long.

They have already used the terms global and franchise in investor communications. If you think this is all falling sky, you need a reality check. The next push will be to liberalize SCOPE and expand the brand. That means putting Delta in control of these companies and eventually them flying the widget.

Imapilot2

He may have intricate knowledge but why does everybody assume he will be against us? If someone has to negotiate on the other side of the table who better than someone who comes from our group? I can't imagine some tricky business lawyer would be better to have across from us.

Han Solo

When SD left management someone here suggested we hire him as one of our negotiators. While it appears he has other duties in his future, had we hired him his responsibility would've been to us, not the company. The same can be said for any ALPA exec hired by management, they owe their loyalty to their employer. He will most certainly use his knowledge in a manner beneficial to the company. It's possible that somebody like this will be able to understand both sides of an argument and help broker a mutually agreeable deal but his loyalties will and should remain on the side of his employer.

gzsg

So maybe he’s fooled management and he’s really fighting for us?

Really?

FL370esq

Has he completed his LMS "Rules of the Road" training? 😁

Bucking Bar

Sources as diverse as Tim O'Malleys fmr Strategic Planning Chair to Sham Ally on Chit Chat.

It is ironic to watch the MEC who fired Tim Canoll act all bent when his EA finds another gig.

The MEC Admin could take a lesson from Delta management who finds talent (even from a labor union) and grabs it to improve their product.

In contrast, our MEC Admin is now staffed by politicians and committee folks have to become political themselves and get voted on. This last MEC broke the process of even staffing the administration. Our MEC Admin is not identifying the best and the brightest, training and promoting them.

If we are worried that Rick Dominguez, with his big brain and 20 years of relevant experience are going to kick our asses, then why have we had 5 scope Chairmen in two years? (four of whom had nearly zero experience in any position prior to becoming Chairmen and two of whom immediately ran for another office?)

Trip7

Ah Scope, the most (IMO) misunderstood contract language by the majority of the pilot group due to its complexity and the ability of the sight of a foreign 787 to turn a Widget pilot emotional.

As evidenced by Delta's record hiring over the past few years and the shift of Concourse C and D in ATL from RJ land to a 717 hub, our Scope language is strong. Delta has built a strong, robust domestic network and will leverage that into international growth over the next several years since the domestic network has saturated.

I believe our Scope protections are sufficient as is but we should seek improvements that guarantee more Delta growth as international grows before a JV agreement(IE more guaranteed growth with AeroMexico JV even without an LOA). The big question is how to craft that complex language which would require someone very bright. If they have RD on their side, we will need to put politics aside and bring an experienced Scope hammer like TD, RS, or a bright mind like RH.

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