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Old 06-12-2019, 07:30 PM
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Im thinking anyone leaving atc outside those gates is doing what is commonly referred to as 'quitting' and not retiring.

So its likely 100% of atc 'retirees' are leaving with a pension...and medical coverage.
Actually no.... not quitting, leveraging...
You know your “sell by date” when you were hired into ATC... or the military, or the airlines... plenty of time to plan.
Plenty of ATC’ers and Active Duty/National Guard/Reserve guys and gals that take early retirement to go fly for the airlines because a previous stable career will smooth the unpredictable life of the airlines... How many airlines have a real pension, not a contribution to a 401/403 666 plan?
Whatever pension (not as generous as you might think) just might cover the mortgage during the next furlough...
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:40 PM
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More than a few retiring 121 pilots are also leveraging themselves into post retirement employment.

Some unfortunately out of need and not desire. Its better than most but still a crapshoot in this job.
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:02 AM
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Im gona suggest the homogeneous dna pool has a lot to do with that stastic.

When one says 'american' its a highly varied dna pool with corresponding predispositions for chronic illness.

Comparing the US component dna longevity would likely reveal much less difference.

Toss in the very disperate social and cultural framework and any comparison is flawed at best.
Do you have a reference or a source for any of these statements? Or is this just your opinion based on.... what, exactly? What is the "US component DNA"?
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:10 AM
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Component dna? It simply means comparing apples to apples when it comes to questions like the longevity of a populace.

The cdc and other research agencies publish life expectancy stats. In general, and in component groupings. They use 'race' and gender component groupings but its more accurate to speak in terms of dna groupings.

And there is a significant statistical spread in the published longevity for component dna groupings in the aggregrate US population.

The US is a varied dna populace. Our dna predisposes us to chronic illness that influence longevity.

Examining the dna grouping of japan with the comparable component group in the US is likely to reveal less of a difference than the aggregate US numbers.

And Unless the stats specifically account for only 'natural' deaths... Than other cultural and social influences between countries need to be considered in a longevity assesment.

things like relative exposure to elevated death from transportation modes, gun, prevalence of drug and alcohol as well as losses from armed conflicts would have to be accounted for in the numbers in a relative comparison to asses if the longevity difference is related to factors like diet or more to a consequence of the circumstances of day to day life.

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Old 06-13-2019, 02:51 AM
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Component dna? It simply means comparing apples to apples when it comes to questions like the longevity of a populace.

The cdc and other research agencies publish life expectancy stats. In general, and in component groupings. They use 'race' and gender component groupings but its more accurate to speak in terms of dna groupings.

And there is a significant statistical spread in the published longevity for component dna groupings in the aggregrate US population.

The US is a varied dna populace. Our dna predisposes us to chronic illness that influence longevity.

Examining the dna grouping of japan with the comparable component group in the US is likely to reveal less of a difference than the aggregate US numbers.

And Unless the stats specifically account for only 'natural' deaths... Than other cultural and social influences between countries need to be considered in a longevity assesment.

things like relative exposure to elevated death from transportation modes, gun, prevalence of drug and alcohol as well as losses from armed conflicts would have to be accounted for in the numbers in a relative comparison to asses if the longevity difference is related to factors like diet or more to a consequence of the circumstances of day to day life.
Soooo... Americans living and working in the US don't live as long as Japanese living and working in Japan?
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:45 AM
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Well...in reference to reports of Japan having the highest longevity apparently nobody living in the US lives as long as anybody in Japan.

On average.

Comparative longevity stats between national societies are not easily explained with a simple equation.

Which is the point of my explaination to your first question.

Dna predisposition to chronic illness is one variable in longevity. So are environmental and behavioral factors.

And so is the mathematical result of averaging groups with less vs more of these disperate variables.

The more intriguing question in my mind is would a Japanese national living in the US live as long...on average..as one who did not?

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Old 06-13-2019, 03:48 AM
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55. With a pension. And medical insurance.
They are government employees....Mil folks get pension and medical as well.

Delta pilots don’t work for the Feds.

Not a valid comparison if that’s what you were inferring.
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No comparison.

Just an observation.

In the same way im sure the observation was made of atc required retirement age in reference to 121 pilot required retirement age.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:56 AM
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There is not much of a difference between 65 and 67. It really just depends on the individual. Some people age very well and some don’t. Anyone can drop dead at any time regardless of age. The retirement age should be raised and the FAA medical system allowed to continue to screen as they always do. Additionally, Delta does screen for mental acuity during sims checks. Older pilots with dementia - younger than 60 - have failed check rides due to this reason. 65 is a random number. Some pilots should leave earlier and many do - some not voluntarily. The system, although not perfect, does work. Additional tests could be done if desired. There are tests, including MRI’s, to screen for virtually everything.

Our retirement is currently structured where, with proper planning, one can retire at a time much earlier than 65. Those who wish to retire can. Some who were caught in the transition from a DB plan to the DC plan should have the option of staying longer if they wish to and are able.

The retirement age could easily be raised to 67.
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:09 AM
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The retirement age could easily be raised to 67.
That may be, but ICAO recently rejected the idea. Until ICAO changes it, I don't see the FAA changing it.
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