Japanese Raise Retirement Age To 67
06-13-2019, 03:36 PM
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My only real objection to raising the retirement age is completely short-term selfish, I don't want to pause for XX years when the new age is implemented. We get 2 physicals a year, there are 2 of us in the cockpit, and nobody is making us work until some certain age -- we can quit whenever we want. My father drove a truck until age 75; a far more physically demanding, dangerous, and less rewarding job than what we get to do. If he can do that terrible job until 75, I most certainly can sit on RES and rarely get used until age 65+XX. People are living longer and longer, I'd rather spend some money on myself and family now while we're together and I'm physically viable and "work" a few extra years rather than horde away some nest egg to jealously guard beginning on my 65th birthday.
06-14-2019, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
If ICAO doesn't up the age limit, you're now confined to flying within the United States (or the few countries that may have a higher limit). So what are all those senior dudes on the 777/350/etc... going to do, drop down to planes that do little international? How do you affect that move? How do you implement this without abrogating seniority?
06-15-2019, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Oh the horror. And how would a senior guy bidding down abrogate anyone's seniority? On the -ER, I usually fly one trip a month of pure domestic. It's not heinous. Of course when the 7ER goes to the desert, one's choices would be limited.
WRT to abrogation...how do you get the guys back down to domestic aircraft if there are not enough openings? Also, I should have left off the word "senior," as not all old guys are senior. How about when an international trip has to go to a reserve and the older (more junior) guy can't take it so it gets kicked to a more senior guy...how is that not an abrogation of seniority? That said, I agree with 80, I don't see it as an imminent issue, though I could be proven wrong.
06-15-2019, 03:36 PM
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Not just ATC...
Guy I know went into the Army, and later bailed out after six years. Went to work for a state highway patrol while working for the Guard. Went back to active service after 9/11. Got back out and finished his 20 with the cop shop.
Now he gets two full pensions and has medical care out his yingyang. Spends his time lounging around and driving his RV.
The game is there, you just have to play it.
Guy I know went into the Army, and later bailed out after six years. Went to work for a state highway patrol while working for the Guard. Went back to active service after 9/11. Got back out and finished his 20 with the cop shop.
Now he gets two full pensions and has medical care out his yingyang. Spends his time lounging around and driving his RV.
The game is there, you just have to play it.
06-15-2019, 03:38 PM
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There used to be a provision in the contract that allowed pilots turning 60 (before age 65) to down bid to engineer. They did not lose their seniority in category. If age 67 did ever come with the “domestic only” provision, I’m sure something could be fairly easily hammered out. And, no, I’m not an advocate for age 67.
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06-16-2019, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Not just ATC...
Guy I know went into the Army, and later bailed out after six years. Went to work for a state highway patrol while working for the Guard. Went back to active service after 9/11. Got back out and finished his 20 with the cop shop.
Now he gets two full pensions and has medical care out his yingyang. Spends his time lounging around and driving his RV.
The game is there, you just have to play it.
Guy I know went into the Army, and later bailed out after six years. Went to work for a state highway patrol while working for the Guard. Went back to active service after 9/11. Got back out and finished his 20 with the cop shop.
Now he gets two full pensions and has medical care out his yingyang. Spends his time lounging around and driving his RV.
The game is there, you just have to play it.
There are cites that have already declared bankruptcy and folks in those cities are losing/lost their pensions....sounds familiar.
06-16-2019, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
There used to be a provision in the contract that allowed pilots turning 60 (before age 65) to down bid to engineer. They did not lose their seniority in category.
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
If age 67 did ever come with the “domestic only” provision, I’m sure something could be fairly easily hammered out.
Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
One Fed pension and one state pension...so 2 x government pensions.
There are cites that have already declared bankruptcy and folks in those cities are losing/lost their pensions....sounds familiar.
There are cites that have already declared bankruptcy and folks in those cities are losing/lost their pensions....sounds familiar.
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