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Old 08-26-2019 | 12:30 PM
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Pilots should have special non-rev benefits above all other employee groups.
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Old 08-26-2019 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
Pilots should have special non-rev benefits above all other employee groups.
Ugh, finally. I waited forever.
Originally Posted by OOfff
Have we gotten to the part where pilots suggest they should get higher nonrev priority than FAs and other employees yet?
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Old 08-26-2019 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
Delta has full editorial control of our manuals, policies, and procedures. Hence why all of our manuals mirror Delta in philosophy and design.
This is really the important piece. Delta is very much involved with dictating policies and procedures at 9E. We are required to follow DL checklists and various other procedures not just on the pilot side but shared services operations as well and especially in 9E's OCC.

We have corporate employees who also hold positions at Delta and/or Delta Connection- not even just executive level roles either. And the best example I ever saw was touring the tower at JFK and seeing how closely Delta and Endeavor ops people are working together, right next to each other, you couldn't tell who was DL or 9E just by walking through. Man, things have changed since but at one point Delta pilots actually used to sit in on Endeavor pilot interviews and to this day Delta has a lot of stake and input in 9E's pilot hiring. The point is Delta dictates a lot that goes on at 9E. This is very very different than the other contract carriers.

My family are all Delta retirees and they have no issues with S3A because at the end of the day it rarely ever effects them.
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Old 08-26-2019 | 02:38 PM
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This whole discussion is ridiculous. Guys going to work, and to work only, should have priority over retirees. Other than Pilots going to work, Delta retirees and their family should have priority over connection carrier Pilots and their families. It’s not that hard

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Old 08-26-2019 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
This whole discussion is ridiculous. Guys going to work, and to work only, should have priority over retirees. Other than Pilots going to work, Delta retirees and their family should have priority over connection carrier Pilots and their families. It’s not that hard

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This is Delta IT that we're talking about...
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Old 08-26-2019 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
This is Delta IT that we're talking about...
Ha, I was just going to post this. They probably will institute a priority system when Delta IT can properly program it. So, the year 2145 at the earliest.

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This is really the important piece. Delta is very much involved with dictating policies and procedures at 9E.
That's not the important part, our union violates DALPA's scope and bargains directly with DAL management. That technically makes us an alter ego.
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Old 08-26-2019 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Wrong. We celebrated a huge reduction in the percentage of domestic passengers that were flown by non Delta Pilots. This percentage was huge and peaked around 2010-2012. The percentage of passengers flying on RJs has been steadily decreasing over the last decade.

Saying this was a bad move because 50 seaters were being parked anyway is faulty logic. Did this accelerate parking 50 seaters or not? Did overall numbers trend in the right direction or not? Finally who knows what alternative fleet plan the company could have went with had things been different.

In the last decade the total number of RJs, total RJ seats, and the percentage of passengers flying on mainline have all been trending in the right direction.

DALPA legitimately screwed up many things regarding Scope, TA-2 was not one of them.

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It was a huge win for the pilots and resulted in Delta hiring more pilots than the other major airlines combined over the life of the contract. Without the changes in the 76 seat limits Delta would not have been able to get the existing lift contracts terminated and renegotiated. Results matter, they were far better than the forum projected.
They would have gotten rid of the airplanes one way or another. You are all very heavily vested in this game of claiming that what Delta asked for was a win. Tell me, how many 50 seaters do we have active compared to our scope limit? If you are correct, then we will be at the limit for 50 seat flying.
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Old 08-26-2019 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Ha, I was just going to post this. They probably will institute a priority system when Delta IT can properly program it. So, the year 2145 at the earliest.


That's not the important part, our union violates DALPA's scope and bargains directly with DAL management. That technically makes us an alter ego.
Interesting fact: the term alter ego doesn't exist in the Delta contract. Also, the RJ cutout pretty much makes it legal for Delta to own a regional as long as the certificates are kept separate.
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Old 08-26-2019 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
Interesting fact: the term alter ego doesn't exist in the Delta contract. Also, the RJ cutout pretty much makes it legal for Delta to own a regional as long as the certificates are kept separate.
He might have been talking about our bridge agreement. We have a contractual agreement between Endeavor ALPA and Delta management regarding our fleet commitment. It's in writing and specifies a minimum number of aircraft Delta will place in service with Endeavor.

Our MEC also spent the better part of last year trying to negotiate career progression directly with Delta.



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Old 08-26-2019 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
He might have been talking about our bridge agreement. We have a contractual agreement between Endeavor ALPA and Delta management regarding our fleet commitment. It's in writing and specifies a minimum number of aircraft Delta will place in service with Endeavor.

Our MEC also spent the better part of last year trying to negotiate career progression directly with Delta.



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Sounded to me like since your CEO is also DAL management and your contract is negotiated with him, he believes your union is in violation of DALPA contract.
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