Some forward looking pilot will get the A bid really junior. Power thru the horrible trips until the NEO arrives, then will be cruising the Pacific to Hawaii while 10 year pilots complain about being able to hold LAX a year from now[emoji23]

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Thank goodness!

Do you actually buy into what you are saying? Not saying you’re wrong, but darn man, stop drinking the kool-aid.

Wish you were around when we all got furloughed. We needed some of that fresh tasting Kool Aid!

Did your last airline have bypasses? Those are why that type of system would be nearly useless here.

I hope not. At 11:58am I was all about it. At 1:00pm I was kicking myself!

My craziest award. Junior DTW 350A to 37xx

Oh I agree 100% it was just nice to see how it looked and let people change last minute.

I had NYC 7ER A in for about 60 seconds. I kept checking twice a day for the last three days to make sure I deleted it.

The craziest award continues to be the ATL 320 A going senior to 777A and 350A.

That's so Bat**** soup that it's like having a slice of Lyme Disease with your Coronavirus.

Just don't get ticked off.

Why is this so shocking to some people? Widebody flying / Time Zone-Jumping / Off in to space-staring is a completely different lifestyle and work life than a NB job. I think more people should do what they enjoy and not simply chase the cash... what am I missing?

Those whose enjoyment peaks where income peaks are certainly fortunate, but that doesn't include us all. Makes perfect sense to me that some folks prefer to stay in their narrow body comfort zone - particularly when uber senior.

I don’t think it’s THAT crazy. I can’t hold any widebody A except 7ER in NYC but I personally don’t have any desire to do the flying the 777 and 350 do. Call me crazy. I did do INTL on the ER right seat years ago and enjoyed it, but ICN, JNB, PVG, HND, and PEK....you guys can have it. One day I’ll bid the 330 A and fly to Europe again, but only when I can control my schedule a little. 70% in catagory, or so.

I am very anxious to see how many junior A's are going to bail for Widebody B. I am one of them. I have been working my ass off the last 2+ years. Looking to hide out in the right side of a 330 or 350 for awhile until we get a new contract. Being junior in the left seat on a narrow body right now is brutal. Left seat is going to go crazy junior in NY and LA. I don't think a 2014 is going to hold 737A in ATL though. ATL is going to continue to go more and more senior.

no way.....2010 hire maybe.

737A ATL down to 10,000.

320A ATL....stays pretty senior.

350A stays about where it is....2700-2800

shocking award.....NYC 330A 3800-4000 and NYC 765 4000+

717. Staffing so low you work every day on reserve and can hardly move a single X-day around. I'll go use my seniority in the right seat to make almost as much as reserve and be home 2X as much.

Which base? Everytime I look at 73N daily trip coverage I miss the 1-2 legs a day. 717 flying can be pretty brutal as you're constantly in the departure and approach environment

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ATL 717A (and DTW and NYC to a somewhat lesser extent) routinely uses every RES for every day they have available. Most of the flying sucks, and those a-holes from NYC have a direct line to my schedule. They OOBWS every time I've got a day off for a potential green and mum's the effing word when I'm on SC :).

Yep! We all know the NY initials SS....freakin guy loves an OOBWS. Especially when we have zero reserve coverage.

Our flying in DTW went to crap once the west coast flying stopped. Which is fine, if you're into the Dakota's in January.

Sure Jan.
zero reserves. 5 GS given out so far and said pilot OOBWS DH both ways trip preventing a commuter from doing a GS.

But yes its allowed like costco return policy.

I can see how this would be frustrating because it seems like you deserve that green slip. However, can you really fault the guy if it improves his quality of life? Does your QOL or premium income trump his? Once again i can understand your personal frustration but not the outward animosity. Just like a person could get frustrated when they get used on reserve they don’t blame the guy that called in sick or whatever else caused the trip to be uncovered.

Maybe he’s a commuter too. Or maybe he’s not. It’s none of our business as long as he’s working under the contract.

Griping about it, and especially using his/her initials on a public forum (presumably in an attempt to shame him/her into changing their behavior) is poor form.

Exactly, maybe he's a commuter. And by dropping his trips in one base and picking up trips in another, he actually increases the amount of open trips in his base and thus the chances for greenslips there. Oh wait, but we're not supposed to fly greenslips anyway because it helps the company right?! :eek: It really irks me when guys try to shame people for using their contractually given benefits.

If it hasn't happened to you, then your're not playing the game hard enough. I've taken 2 OOBWS in my career. Both were great deals for me. I've "missed out" on GS because of OOBWS more times than I can count. S(hi)tuff happens.

Getting around the censor is getting harder.

That commuter doing a green slip prevents the company from staffing the airline properly so that your average line holders, that don’t survive on green slips, can’t drop days and or swap trips and improve their quality of life. Everyone works the system differently. I’ve met SS and his WS has saved me multiple times from being called on a reserve trip and I got to spend more time at home with my family. SS works smarter not harder. So while you scold him for doing a white slip and taking a green slip from someone, People who do green slips should be scolded as well for letting the company know they don’t need to staff properly because money hungry pilots will save the day.

I agree with the intent of your post. We should probably also consider the option where we don't scold anybody at all ever, as long as they are following their contract.

I never mention names or initials. OOBWS are what they are.

To be clear, I don't hate the player. More power to him. I drop down to single and double days on reserve to play games for QOL my own way. And I've definitely stayed home for OOB guys picking stuff up. Just how it is. Initials doesn't mean anything personal and if you think it does, don't look at literally any thread on this forum. It also backfires on him sometimes too, kinda like blanket dropping used to do (when we had coverage). Sometimes there's nothing to pick up. Part of the game.

Point is I didn't use the guy's name, and people who recognize his initials didn't learn anything new they didn't already know. If it bothers you, toughen up and get over it.

I couldn't agree more.

You should consider changing categories if he bothers you so much. Sounds like he has read the contract!

I’d be very surprised to see LAX fall below 10,700 in any category.


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NYC is always the wild card...revolving door of pilots , $200 a night hotel rooms, 3 airports....not the easiest of commutes.
The trips on the 320 are bad, have been since the 88 went away. I am amazed at the amount of one day trips.

Why is the base with the highest percentage of commuters, have the least percentage of commutable trips (my impression)? Does Delta issue lube with that bid package?

At first I thought it was to absorb the crappy 88 flying. But now who knows? There is a impending staffing summer fun fest.

Wondered this too. Haven't seen much discussed in regards to negotiations though when it comes to giving the RCC more power than they already have. Which is basically zero.

There is a reason it’s called the Sodomizer. They had it set to wrist-deep with lube last summer. This year it’s going to be elbow-deep and dry.

Because there is no contractual language requiring ALPA input on trip construction. The company has chosen to prioritize credit/cost over commutability.

I think it also has to do with the large number of RON airplanes there and early departures/late arrivals.

It sounds like,if the company would allow for more commutable trips (ie more credit), costs might actually be reduced.....given last summer’s melt down and the projected staffing for this summer.

Denny

NYC has a large number of early morning departures. In an effort to reduce hotel costs, they began building early departures for NYC based crews rather than having NYC layovers for other bases.

Far better for the worlds greatest employees
to foot that bill than a company burning billions in stock buybacks every year.

AE supposedly comes out tomorrow.. around 150 bypasses is the rumor. MSP 717 pretty junior due to folks with qualifiers. Will be interesting to see the full results.