I understand this AE closes on Monday but when do the results get published? I am a new hire starting early March and curious if we will bid based on the results of this AE.

the results will probably be out in a week or so, there’s a good chance your bids will be based on the results of the AE

probably friday

not just a good chance...it 100% will be based on the AE results.

you’re right. Lazy writing on my part :D

The problem is on a bid this size there will be new hire spots available in most narrow body categories. Where the company chooses to place new hires can’t really be judged beyond the fact most will be NYC. Aircraft types are based on sim availability and IOE constraints. New Hires smooth the pipelines out since the company gets to place them with relatively short notice.

It’s also like trying to fill a bucket with holes in it, and NYC is that bucket. The natural tendency for pilots to bid their way out of commuting (traditionally to NYC), and there are so many openings available, the company has of late (ATLM88B excepted), generally only offered NYC to new hires in order to keep it staffed and allow conversions by more senior pilots to other bases. By the time the company gets anywhere near to filling the NYC categories, we hold another AE, allowing many of those pilots to bid to other places, thereby sustaining the demand for new bodies to New York.

In the last big hiring wave, by mid 2015 new hires were getting all kinds of crazy stuff. My class was half New York stuff and half 73n and 7ER to Atlanta. It kinda just depends on what needs filling that week. They were giving out so many ERs to new hires that people were waiting forever to get their OE and TOE done.

I heard a rumor some time back that delta had made the 320->330 training a day or two longer resulting in a 2 year seat lock instead of a one year seat lock. Any truth to that?

that is a a true statement

well that sucks.

and it’s total bs. No 320 guy needs an EXTRA day of training to go to the big bus. If anything, 12 is too long as it is!!!

Did they do this just to kinda artificially lengthen the seat lock?

Hi everyone, I’m a new hire at DAL with a class date of February 3rd. How or when does the AE close?
Thanks

it closes on January 27th. Looks like you will have to wait til June-ish for your first AE.

It closes on January 27th, so you won’t be eligible to bid anything new until the next AE, whenever that turns out being.

Actually all the guys I've flown with on the 330 that came from the 320 have said they could have actually used another sim or so. They all thought it was a bit too condensed. I came from Boeing so I can't really say one way or another.

Very true, NYC is a revolving door for new hires, expensive hotels and non commutable trips make it tough.

Well the 330 training needed the extra day or two. They jammed so much stuff into the training program when I went through - it was overloaded.

Did you go to the 330 from the 320? I hope/plan to do that myself within the next few years (I'm currently on the 320). I can't imagine that the transition would be that difficult. Going from any other aircraft other than the 320, I can appreciate that you would need all the sims you can take.

I’ve heard similar things about the 320-330 transition. Sucks it’s a two year commitment now, but a buddy of mine who did it a few years back said it was a challenging course. Even with his 320 time and knowledge.

it isnt difficult at ALL......I mean......there’s hardly anything different about it. It’s bigger, few more systems. The hardest part is the Int’l stuff if you’ve never flown over the water......you get all that on TOE. Boom done.

So you went through the transition training program?

yes I did.....

No, I didn't come from the 320 to the 330. My feeling was that Delta inherited the NWA 330 program, which was probably fine when taught after a lengthy in-classroom ground school. Well, Delta changed that to self-study so you don't get as much knowledge.

Then, over the years, the FAA requires airlines to add this or that to the sim training. So the company thought, "Ok, we'll shove that in this sim lesson because we have 10 extra minutes here. And put that over there because there is 15 minutes free."

In the end, an overloaded, out of sequence training program that wasn't done very well. I haven't run into a 330 pilot that thought it was a decent training program. I've been through half a dozen long courses in my career (here and elsewhere) and this was by far the worse.

From what I’ve heard it was the 330->350 short course that resulted in a lot of failures and thus gave the 350 training a rough start. Heard the 320->330 is much easier though. Still nothing beats the 320 training program. It’s the country club of the fleets. 😂

Nothing real to add. But you may have the greatest username currently in use.

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Anyone flown the 767-400 and A330? What’s your preference?

I went from 7ER A to 330 A, the schoolhouse course wasn't great but I made it just fine.

I have a friend on the 400. She hasn’t flown the 330, but loves life as a NYC 765B.
I asked if she was gonna upgrade to NB A, and she said HELL NO

I thought the same thing lol #optimized

I thought the same thing lol #optimized

Out of JFK, it looks like the 330 seems to
be a bit more commutable. The -400 has a non-commutable late LHR and is picking up an early morning LHR this summer. 330 seems to have more variety in flying too.

That can change at the whim of the optimizer though so do your due diligence.

Good to know. Thx.

BS said in one of the recent videos that the new AE software could do in hours what previously took days. So even with the size of this bid, anyone have insight into whether the results might be out quicker than we are accustomed to?

Delta Air Lines and the words “new software” and or “technology” don’t go well together, hopefully I’m wrong lol....

I think the Awards will be on the same timeline, as they will do 69 runs and analyze all the different scenarios. Once the awards come out, I'd expect the Projected Training to follow within a day or two, not three weeks later. I think that's what the software was designed to do.

A Thank You.

I dunno what to add......I went through the short course after 6 years on the short bus and felt it was a waste of time. The course isn’t designed for guys that already speak French......it’s just the same lessons as the IQ course, picked and choosed, and put together. Like......the 402 lesson is the same for IQ and the short course. So it’s the same sims, just less of them.

What I felt I needed more of was the Int’l ops. I know the WWO CD is soooooo well done........but still. Lol.

Adding a day to school was purely a way to add a year to the freeze. More freeze=less movement=less $$ spent. Big surprise.

Going from this
https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/34293_1553827323.jpg

To this
https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/94850_1428002600.jpg

Seems way easier then going from the above, to this on a short course
https://i1.wp.com/thepointsguy.com/w...2C1024px&ssl=1