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sailingfun 01-27-2020 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by igotgummed (Post 2965052)
A Thank You.

I dunno what to add......I went through the short course after 6 years on the short bus and felt it was a waste of time. The course isn’t designed for guys that already speak French......it’s just the same lessons as the IQ course, picked and choosed, and put together. Like......the 402 lesson is the same for IQ and the short course. So it’s the same sims, just less of them.

What I felt I needed more of was the Int’l ops. I know the WWO CD is soooooo well done........but still. Lol.

Adding a day to school was purely a way to add a year to the freeze. More freeze=less movement=less $$ spent. Big surprise.

I bet the number of pilots who bid off the 330 between the 12 and 24 month point is virtually nil unless it’s to upgrade to CA in which case the freeze would not apply. 330 Sim assets are very scarce and they are paying big bucks for offsight time.

forgot to bid 01-27-2020 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2965076)
I bet the number of pilots who bid off the 330 between the 12 and 24 month point is virtually nil unless it’s to upgrade to CA in which case the freeze would not apply. 330 Sim assets are very scarce and they are paying big bucks for offsight time.

I don't know their sim plans but they need a lot asap

TED74 01-27-2020 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2965076)
I bet the number of pilots who bid off the 330 between the 12 and 24 month point is virtually nil unless it’s to upgrade to CA in which case the freeze would not apply. 330 Sim assets are very scarce and they are paying big bucks for offsight time.

Where is the offsite training? Just about anything sounds more appealing than Virginia Ave.

ERflyer 01-27-2020 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2965083)
Where is the offsite training? Just about anything sounds more appealing than Virginia Ave.

Toulouse would be nice.

hvydvr 01-27-2020 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2965083)
Where is the offsite training? Just about anything sounds more appealing than Virginia Ave.

I think they go to Airbus in 36th St in Miami.

sailingfun 01-27-2020 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2965083)
Where is the offsite training? Just about anything sounds more appealing than Virginia Ave.

Miami Beach, filler

Bergman 01-27-2020 04:22 AM

They’re shopping around for additional options. Any other Airbus sims in the US?

GucciBoy 01-27-2020 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2965076)
I bet the number of pilots who bid off the 330 between the 12 and 24 month point is virtually nil unless it’s to upgrade to CA in which case the freeze would not apply. 330 Sim assets are very scarce and they are paying big bucks for offsight time.



If it is so low, then why did the company decide to extend the seat lock for the course?

And the pilot in your example could only break the lock for their left-seat bid if it was their first captain upgrade.

Bucking Bar 01-27-2020 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 2965097)
I think they go to Airbus in 36th St in Miami.

Which does make Virgina Ave sound a bit better than it did when Toulouse was the other option.

What I don't get is why do they call that place College Park when there is no college and is no park?

Gspeed 01-27-2020 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 2965137)
Which does make Virgina Ave sound a bit better than it did when Toulouse was the other option.

What I don't get is why do they call that place College Park when there is no college and is no park?

Why do you park in a driveway? Why do some think a Miata isn't a sportscar? These are things we'll never understand.

sailingfun 01-27-2020 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2965136)
If it is so low, then why did the company decide to extend the seat lock for the course?

And the pilot in your example could only break the lock for their left-seat bid if it was their first captain upgrade.

They review student performance and critiques in evaluating the sim requirements for each type of training. They did not extend the seat lock. They added sims which put the training in a different bucket contractually. 3 or more years ago I suspect the company and MEC would have sat down and reached a agreement to sign a LOA amending the requirements and keep the seat lock the same. We don’t have that type of relationship now. I don’t know of a single pilot who has bid off the 330 under 24 months with one exception and he went to Captain.
Adding two sims means for every five students they put through they lose the ability to train one full course student. I guarantee you that adding sims was far more expensive to the company than the 1 or 2 guys a year who might bid off between the 12 and 24th month. Pilots arrive on the 330 and tend to camp forever!
You also need to understand this is a AQP program with extensive FAA monitoring of bust rate and extra sim periods required as well as IOE times required. More than likely in the current 330 sim environment the FAA mandated the change. The company is not about to give up 330 sim periods given the accelerated delivery schedule unless they were strongly compelled to do so.

badflaps 01-27-2020 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2965138)
Why do you park in a driveway? Why do some think a Miata isn't a sportscar? These are things we'll never understand.

Same guy, why do they call them apartments when they are so close together?

FL370esq 01-27-2020 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 2965137)
What I don't get is why do they call that place College Park when there is no college and is no park?

Exactly! Which makes me wonder why are they called apartments if they are so close together....or why are they called classified ads if everybody can read them?? Hmmm.....

Planetrain 01-27-2020 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2965138)
Why do you park in a driveway? Why do some think a Miata isn't a sportscar? These are things we'll never understand.

I know, right?! Such rad understeer in that beast!

https://media.giphy.com/media/VIPfg5...CjsE/giphy.gif

GliderCFI 01-27-2020 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 2965171)
I know, right?! Such rad understeer in that beast!

https://media.giphy.com/media/VIPfg5...CjsE/giphy.gif

Damn I love this gif. "It seemed like a good idea at the time, it was fun for a minute."

What a metaphor

4fans 01-27-2020 07:14 AM

AE closes in 45 minutes! Place your bets!

notEnuf 01-27-2020 07:22 AM

Results are OUT! Too soon?

bohicagain 01-27-2020 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2965218)
Results are OUT! Too soon?

Last airline had a "what if" function. Once pressed it would tell you what you would hold if the bids closed at that moment.
Usually 1 min before bids closed guys could see what they would be awarded.

RamenNoodles 01-27-2020 08:33 AM

Place your bets on when the results will be published!

I’m going with COB Thursday given that it’s a sizable bid but no surpluses.

Trip7 01-27-2020 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by RamenNoodles (Post 2965264)
Place your bets on when the results will be published!



I’m going with COB Thursday given that it’s a sizable bid but no surpluses.

COB Friday

I think they'll be doing a lot of runs with multiple bypass scenarios

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tennisguru 01-27-2020 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2965138)
Why do you park in a driveway? Why do some think a Miata isn't a sportscar? These are things we'll never understand.

You also drive on a parkway...

m3113n1a1 01-27-2020 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 2965272)
You also drive on a parkway...

And land on a taxiway...wait.

dbrownie 01-27-2020 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 2965137)
Which does make Virgina Ave sound a bit better than it did when Toulouse was the other option.

What I don't get is why do they call that place College Park when there is no college and is no park?

Can confirm, neither anywhere in sight....

Flying Monkey 01-27-2020 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Jiggawatt (Post 2965000)
BS said in one of the recent videos that the new AE software could do in hours what previously took days. So even with the size of this bid, anyone have insight into whether the results might be out quicker than we are accustomed to?

It seems like I got the impression they were still evaluating the new software and hadn’t committed to it yet. I wish they had......

tunes 01-27-2020 09:34 AM

feb 4 COB..

Gunfighter 01-27-2020 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Flying Monkey (Post 2965304)
It seems like I got the impression they were still evaluating the new software and hadn’t committed to it yet. I wish they had......

Oh great. They get to run the bids 69 x 2 to evaluate the new vs old.

Gunfighter 01-27-2020 09:48 AM

Everyone's favorite oxymoron, standing on a moving walkway.

FangsF15 01-27-2020 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2965323)
Oh great. They get to run the bids 69 x 2 to evaluate the new vs old.

I’ll bet part of their evaluation includes exactly that, comparing the two, which means it will be out on the “old” timeline.

Abouttime2fish 01-27-2020 11:48 AM

Bets on most shocking awards?

im going with 2014 hire, atl 73nA

marcal 01-27-2020 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 2965432)
Bets on most shocking awards?

im going with 2014 hire, atl 73nA

I think we’ll see a 2014 7ERA in NYC.

Trip7 01-27-2020 12:45 PM

You guys took all the good ones so I have to go with a wild guess. 2018 ATLM88A

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1Taco 01-27-2020 12:55 PM

I’m gonna take a WAG that the junior capt is going to be a 13,6xx number. 🤔 ATL -88A

rambodog 01-27-2020 01:12 PM

Lax 320A goes to 12,1xx

avi8tor220 01-27-2020 01:36 PM

Does a 12,400 number get LAXA or NYC220A? Haha

weekendflyer 01-27-2020 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by avi8tor220 (Post 2965497)
Does a 12,400 number get LAXA or NYC220A? Haha

12,500 would love nyc220A lol

SayMach 01-27-2020 02:00 PM

LAX barely cracked 10,200 or so last bid. I’d be surprised if it goes below 10,900. But I guess that’s why it’s an unexpected prediction.

NoDeskJob 01-27-2020 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by SayMach (Post 2965509)
LAX barely cracked 10,200 or so last bid. I’d be surprised if it goes below 10,900. But I guess that’s why it’s an unexpected prediction.

the trips SUCK. So I could seeing lax320A getting deep into the 11,000s

m3113n1a1 01-27-2020 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by SayMach (Post 2965509)
LAX barely cracked 10,200 or so last bid. I’d be surprised if it goes below 10,900. But I guess that’s why it’s an unexpected prediction.

I agree, with not many vacancies posted for LA and maybe even a little shrinking on the 737 fleet, I don't think LA goes below 10500.

wiggy15 01-27-2020 02:23 PM

FNG here. How long after the AE closes do they typically post results? I know there's a new system or something but this is my first AE.

m3113n1a1 01-27-2020 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by wiggy15 (Post 2965523)
FNG here. How long after the AE closes do they typically post results? I know there's a new system or something but this is my first AE.

Depends on the size of the bid. 2-7 days recently.

Supposedly they have some new software that speeds things up, but it sounds like it's still in the testing phases. Probably needs union approval too..and we know how much our union loves to say NO!


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