Originally Posted by 4fans (Post 2961418)

are charters considered a good deal. I’ve seen some with crazy bad quasi red eyes. Like takeoff out of philly at 1am and land in New York at 2:30am

Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2961335)

I’ve heard rumblings of the NFL doing something with some 767s like the NBA did with the 757s. Anyone know if there’s any truth to that? And why would you park anything with the Max RTS delayed through the summer unless there’s not enough of us to fly them.

Originally Posted by 4fans (Post 2961418)

are charters considered a good deal. I’ve seen some with crazy bad quasi red eyes. Like takeoff out of philly at 1am and land in New York at 2:30am

Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 2961617)

Which newsletter says that 76 retirements are accelerating?

Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 2961324)

Fortunately, we’ve been assured the weather will be better this year so I think that means good changes to the plan.

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 2961293)

Considering the T’s accelerated parking do any of ya’ll crystalballers see 7ERA going below 8500?

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 2961293)

Considering the T’s accelerated parking do any of ya’ll crystalballers see 7ERA going below 8500?

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2961720)

Current junior 7ER Capt is just a bit under 8000 and a March 2007 hire based in NYC. As big as this bid is combined with the fall of Intl flying on the ER I see junior ER Capt in NYC being one of the biggest shocks with a fall to 2010 or 2014 hire in the early 9000s range.

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2961079)

I don't think it will drop below 12000. Trips are too good and payrate is significant boost from most FO pay. NYC717/220 will likely be in the 12500-13000 range

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Originally Posted by Jaxs170 (Post 2961829)

Our (NYC 73N) bid package is falling apart very rapidly. I'm top 10% and I can't get M-F commutable anymore. Once the NEOs show up it will get worse as they start taking over our best flying. The 737 is destined to become the next MD-90.

Originally Posted by Jaxs170 (Post 2961829)

Our (NYC 73N) bid package is falling apart very rapidly. I'm top 10% and I can't get M-F commutable anymore. Once the NEOs show up it will get worse as they start taking over our best flying. The 737 is destined to become the next MD-90.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2961856)

But we'll probably see a new type of junior NB A that simply say screw it, my schedule is already crappy, might as well make the pay.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2961856)

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Even as a fairly junior WB FO, there is no way you could get me to bid NB A right now. When even the top 1/3rd are getting coverage .

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2961903)

Please tell which NB Capt category has line holders in the top 1/3 getting coverage awards so I can avoid it!

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2961903)

Please tell which NB Capt category has line holders in the top 1/3 getting coverage awards so I can avoid it!

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2961856)

When even the top 1/3rd are getting coverage and barely able to get a premium vacation, it just isn't worth the little bump in pay I'd see. Our domestic rotation construction and work rules need a massive overhaul.

Originally Posted by Jaxs170 (Post 2961829)

Our (NYC 73N) bid package is falling apart very rapidly. I'm top 10% and I can't get M-F commutable anymore. Once the NEOs show up it will get worse as they start taking over our best flying. The 737 is destined to become the next MD-90.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2961856)

Just flipped through some narrow body bid packets/wides...wow! Base on that and the noticeable lack of premium vacation weeks available, I expect to see WB FO go senior and NB A go junior. I know that for whatever reason, we'll always have those that just have to get back in the left seat ASAP. But we'll probably see a new type of junior NB A that simply say screw it, my schedule is already crappy, might as well make the pay.

Even as a fairly junior WB FO, there is no way you could get me to bid NB A right now. When even the top 1/3rd are getting coverage and barely able to get a premium vacation, it just isn't worth the little bump in pay I'd see. Our domestic rotation construction and work rules need a massive overhaul.

Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 2961617)

Which newsletter says that 76 retirements are accelerating?

Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2961907)

Or the NB Capt categories where the top 1/3 can't hold decent vacation weeks....that just ain't right. Guess that was "their" solution to last summer's goat rope.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2961909)

Line holders in the top half can't be given coverage. However, reserves could get coverage even if they're the number 2 person in category to bid reserve. Not everyone in to top third bid a line. 30% in DTW320A got coverage on reserve.

Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2961907)

Or the NB Capt categories where the top 1/3 can't hold decent vacation weeks....that just ain't right. Guess that was "their" solution to last summer's goat rope.

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2961912)

I fly with former (relatively senior) WB Bs who say their pay as NB A is a significant jump over their previous earnings. What do you figure your theoretical difference to be such that you call it only a "little bump"?

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2961983)

If line holders can’t be given coverage trips, why are there two different colors on the wide report? The light blue rotations are the normally assigned trips, so what do you call the purple rotations?

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2961999)

Poor wording on my part. My 1/3rd comment was in reference to coverage. Decrease in premium vacation weeks was more a general comment since it seems to have been a trend this year.



I'm ~90% in my current category and would be that or worse on any NB A in my base (I won't commute). To jump to NB A, I figured somewhere between 2-4k/month increase BEFORE taxes. When you look at it through the lens of pay per day worked it isn't a huge increase. In many instances, day-for-day, I'm very close or even slightly ahead of those in the 320A. On top of that, save a few holidays, I have nearly complete control over my schedule in my current category. I basically drop everything and pick up the more efficient trips that easily allow me to close the gap on pay/day worked. This is before I even consider the fact that sitting reserve in base for me drives that number up big time, not to mention QOL on reserve is MUCH better on a WB. Based on the NB A wides/coverage, I'd have nearly zero control over my schedule, which be a huge hit in QOL.

Oddly enough, as I work my way up to 12 year pay, the pay gap gets less and less.



Coverage for line holders can only go up to 75% (of line holders) in non-holiday months and 50% in holiday months. On reserve, coverage is dictated my 12.M.4, which in some categories means each X-day needs to be available once. This means the number 2 guy bidding reserve could easily be subject to coverage.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2962006)

I was unaware of the 50%/75% thresholds...what’s the PWA references for my future reference?

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Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 2961936)

I feel like as my seniority has finally started to move up at a decent clip (ATL 73N B) my trips and overall schedule have at the same time gone downhill. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2962116)

Help clear something up for me:

The ALPA interactive dashboard shows projected ATL 73N B at 332 FO's.

The AE document published for this bid has a Forecast of Pilot Staffing table on page 6 of the PDF. This shows ATL 73N B at 392 FO's.

Does this mean that ATL 73N B is growing by 67 FO's between now and August? Or am I missing something?

Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2962116)

Help clear something up for me:

The ALPA interactive dashboard shows projected ATL 73N B at 332 FO's.

The AE document published for this bid has a Forecast of Pilot Staffing table on page 6 of the PDF. This shows ATL 73N B at 392 FO's.

Does this mean that ATL 73N B is growing by 67 FO's between now and August? Or am I missing something?

Originally Posted by Go Cards go (Post 2962119)

392-332=60. That’s the number on the AE. Yes, that’s the number added on this AE.

Originally Posted by Breadcream (Post 2962120)

The ALPA dashboards won’t catch up with our latest numbers until our projected training from this AE is released.

Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2962155)

Yes but they should reflect the difference between the current plan and what’s intended with this newest AE.

Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2962160)

The Dashboard only shows what is currently awarded, although it does included those waiting for training. It never shows anything regarding an AE that is not awarded yet because it doesn't know whether you'll be senior or junior to pilots who bid it until that is released.

Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2962165)

I agree; so take another look at my follow up post with that in mind. Why is there a difference in 4 extra pilots for ATL 320 B? This may apply to other categories but I haven’t looked at any of the others.

You should be able to take ALPA’s latest projected number, add the new vacancies from the AE, and it should equal the total size for a category in the company’s projected staffing table for any given AE.

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2961720)

Current junior 7ER Capt is just a bit under 8000 and a March 2007 hire based in NYC. As big as this bid is combined with the fall of Intl flying on the ER I see junior ER Capt in NYC being one of the biggest shocks with a fall to 2010 or 2014 hire in the early 9000s range.

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2961912)

I fly with former (relatively senior) WB Bs who say their pay as NB A is a significant jump over their previous earnings. What do you figure your theoretical difference to be such that you call it only a "little bump"?