nyc 330 should be interesting. But it will have to drop down a bunch to reach nyc 767-400 at sub 13,000.

From what I’ve been hearing in my domestic circles, I think widebody FO will go senior and narrow body captain will go really, really junior. The junior narrow body captains are really tired of the schedules and are tired of the staffing.

Im a 2010 hire and there are only 39 people senior to me with a bid in for LAX320A for 30 positions. LA is going to be the new NY.

Well the trips are horrible for now, so that makes sense!

1.5 -2 years. Toss up on equipment but I'm thinking either ATLM88A, NYC717A, or NYC220A



Yup, everyone very wary about the LAX trips. That category won't return to normal til the NEO and Hawaii flying arrives.



2 years NYC765B

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I’ve been saying that since they announced the 320 base there. Trips are awful, covering SNA makes reserve there horrible, and hotels are just as bad as NYC.

I got it. Scoop :)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

Expected backfilling by Korean Air pilots

220, 737, 320. In that order.

320 in SLC has been stagnant, hasn't had new hires on it for years. It's becoming the preferred NB for the younger half of the pilot group. LAX 320 trips have been bad, and many folks are switching to SLC. SEA 7ER has too many FOs, and SLC 7ER has the writing on the wall. I'd expect a good chunk to slide over to the 320. Could take awhile to get a base transfer. 220 & 737 have been allowing newbies to transfer in on their first AEs. Should stay that way.

I think a good number of the SLC7ER will wait for the SLC330 base to open, because that's where the international flying is headed there...…..

So now that it's out ...on a scale of Beach in Mexico to Taylor swift music, how miserable would the 737 A seat be for someone 6'5"? Asking for a friend who hates Taylor Swift.

NYC 767-400, but I’ll bet it doesn’t go as junior as it has been. It was doing totally non-commutable LAX 2-days for the last 2-3 years, but isn’t anymore.

my guess is 11,5XX at worst

Anyone else notice that the AE Memo has already been taken down?

Cat’s out of the bag now...too late to change your mind!


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BS has been saying they will downsize the 220 category as soon as they open the SEA base. I would probably take that last if I wanted SLC. 737 is also done with deliveries so it won’t move much like it has the last year. With more than 100 320’s coming, I would bid 320,737,220.

Still on Deltanet.

Lots of conflicting opinions here :D

I saw the August 2020 bid and 737/320/220 SLC all were 14000 employee number so I read that as sort of I can get in on any of the 3 airframe? Then again who knows if I'm reading that incorrectly...

Jan. AE
 

Disregard. Seems I got “Deltanet-ed”.

The 320 says what's up.

Flew the bus for a brief spell. I felt in no way like an aviator of any kind. But what I did feel, felt comfortable!

FWIW there are 131 A321s to go. Still 31 CEOs and then 100 Neos and supposedly they want to exercise their options for another 100 Neos of potentially various types.

You know we've been conditioned for too long that flying has to be hard.

It's okay to fly an airplane that when hand flying you forget the AP is OFF and start to cuss at it for not following the FCU commands because it just stays smooth and still.

It's okay to like every landing.

it's okay to




get ebola for flying it.

And to go blind.

And impotent to where blue pills dont help.

And to die early.

The damn thing is a death trap. The french and germans have been bombing us since pearl harbor and they've finally figured out how to do us in. ####.

Lol right, comfort trumps so much! I love when Boeing guys pound their chest about how they actually "fly the plane." If you want to really fly a plane, go buy yourself a tailwheel and be a real pilot.

Yep. That's the plan. Turbo 210 and a citabria keeps me plenty honest as is.

I think there are enough SLC 220 people itching to go to SEA that even the plug is going to keep SLC if they want it.

Bring em on!! The 737 is a colossal POS. The 320 training planner wont answer my emails anymore bugging him about my 320 training date. I can’t wait to get out of the 60s and into the mid 80s

​​​​​​I'll agree with you on this one. 😊

"They" say the A350 is going to replace the B777 in LAX (surprised Delta legal didn't have them do it on this AE 🙄😁). I guess they will get PVG back, and (possibly) HND and ICN to get you to the three magical departures. (Not sure how SYD is covered afterwards based on current A350 capabilities and SYD alternate requirements). That being said, ATL seems like a good bet too seeing as it will have three daily departures based on the current ICN and NRT (soon to be HND) departures plus the upcoming AMS departure. Not sure if the additional 6 jets jets will support flying from 3 bases though.

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The latest A350 deliveries are a higher gross weight option from what I understand and they are SYD capable frames.

Can I have the crystal ball you are looking in for that August 2020 bid? :)

Welcome aboard!

Denny

3513 did get a bump in GW but it was only 11,000 lbs. Not sure that makes them SYD capable.

Smeltzer has been saying when they open SEA that SLC 220 will shrink back down to under 100. He also said it would never be over 85 and that SLC would not ever see a 330 base as well so..........

Lots of 320’s coming and heading west. Be easy to get to SLC on the 320 in the next year.

FWIW they have mentioned Hawaii from every west coast base on the 321N.

It was said that includes SLC.

I'd say that you're pretty safe with any of those three. As others have pointed out, SLC 220 is supposedly going to shrink a bit when SEA 220 finally opens but I still think there will be plenty of movement to keep it a junior category. I doubt you'll see really senior FOs camping out at the top of the list like you do on the 73 and 320.

That saves money right up until sim 3 and the reluctant pilot says oops, I guess I'll just go back to my old equipment for 6 months to a year. Or maybe says my zone isn't as dead as I thought and retires. That's sim time and money that will never be recovered and now your down a body.

In order to return to your prior category you have to bust the training. You will be pink slipped and put in the special tracking program plus draw FAA attention on your requal on the old equipment. Then you get recurrent in 6 months. There once was a gentleman’s agreement where you could quietly go back to your old equipment if the fleet CA approved. I doubt that will be happening anymore.

I doubt any of that is relevant for someone looking to retire, if they fail the sim there is most likely a latent medical reason they could also be disqualified for.

First 5 cities to HNL in the NEO are planned to be LAX, SFO, PDX, SEA, and SLC. Have also heard we will eventually do HNL from every city that Alaska and Southwest have service. That’s lots of cities to HNL.

SJC might not be far behind those. Every time I look at the seat map leaving there it’s diamond medallions only in first, comfort plus, and some in main cabin.

I turned the corner in Boston the other night and saw a air lingus 321N.

We are going to need more than 100.

Even more of a reason to embrace greater banding and/or longevity pay. Few would care about the lack of 777s if our 330s paid the same rate and we got more of them to replace the 777s. Whether we like it or not, "smaller" jets are becoming more and more capable. HNL-SLC historically has been done by 330s and 7ERs...hopefully the 321NEO rate is at least 7ER rate.

​​​​​​​How far into europe can a 321NEO get from BOS or JFK? Maybe just a much larger international pay?

​​​​​​​Pay banding or seniority based pay is the smart choice. But there's so much push back from pilots here I doubt it'll ever happen. Also, why do we get international pay? It's not any harder than a 5 leg 717 day.