Pretty frustrating considering it's one of the most appealing bases. But yet they just continue to grow NYC.

Appealing? That's just your opinion man!!

The results of this bid will be pretty interesting. Especially with such a large amount of Widebody Capt positions. I see significant movement and some shockingly junior domestic Captain and Widebody FO positions.

Could NYC7ERA hit 2014 hires? Will the iron wall of seniority on the 73 and 320 in ATL finally fall? Will systemwide junior Captain fall below 2 years again? Interesting times. More plot twists in store for the rest of the year with BOS320, NYC777(or more ATL777), SLC330 and LAX350 all on the table.

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I bet there’s gonna be 2 pages of bypasses alone.

Definitely in the eye of the be(er)holder, ya...in his ice shanty! :D

Agreed, it will be interesting to watch. Btw, were you the commentator for Rocky and Bullwinkle? :D

What’s the over-under on number of M88 A backfills? I’m thinking 50.

Has anybody noticed how bypasses are treated for right to left seat moves on the same A/C? Wondering if a guy with 2-3 years to go can expect an involuntary bypass, or any bypass for that matter. I’m not there, but as a current A to B, it might be a factor down the road a few years.

I just wish they'd pick and stay with the correct nomenclature. Is it 764 or 765? Is it 73N or 737-800? You find all 4 in bid packages. Now get off my lawn!

I like 911’s so my cart is always before my horse.

There's a reason it's the most senior base at DL. I don't just mean appealing to live there (because it sounds like cold isn't your thing) but it's a great commuter base because its centrally located, has reasonable hotel prices, and doesn't go into a ground stop every other day.

Not to mention most of the base actually lives in the area vs NYC very few do.

I was just messing with you :D Hope MSP sees some growth soon!

Forget MSP look at LA! 30 more Capt positions on the 320!

Wide body postings don’t even keep up with retirements.

We see this same post constantly. If it were anywhere close to true we would have zero widebody pilots at Delta. This bid for the most part is covering flying from now until the end of summer. Another bid will be posted in a few months. You still have widebody pilots being trained and converted from prior bids. We probably have about 150 widebody Captains retiring between now and the end of Aug. The total count of widebody CA positions is increasing and that increase will really kick into gear with this a subsequent bids. In the last 10 months the company has posted or awarded 380 CA positions on 764-400 or larger equipment.

while i think this is a very positive AE for actual movement on this AE, i'd take all the 'possibilities' with a grain of salt....they claimed LAX 220 and look how that turned out..

I agree. I would not be surprised if Network changes their mind to ATL350

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Big if true

Possibly zero. I think it was mentioned in the video that as much as possible they will delay moving A’s off so as not to back fill.

Edit.....I just read the AE memo, so there’s that.

Doesn’t 426 CA positions represent ~5% of the total captain positions? (Disclaimer, I left my shoes on to do the math). That seems like a ton of movement if that really is 1/20th of the A positions.

Apologize if this has been asked, new around here and lots of posts and thread movements. Wondering which airframe is best for SLC? I am going to be pretty low in my class selection so hopeful to get anything in training that has a base in SLC. Just wondering with the airport construction and what was trending for new hires/movement west for first years. Was thinking 320/220/737 in that order. Any help appreciated!

As of the Feb bid period, we have more WB pilots (764/330 and up) now than we did in the summer of 2018. Not saying I'm happy with how many spots we have wrt our JVs/etc.. Just stating facts.

6,500 As, so its 6.5%

Correct, but WB postings are keeping up with WB retirements. Not all retirements are from WB positions.

If you are planning on bidding all 3 of those categories........just bid them in the order you want with any percentage you want. Don't need to over think it. If available you will get it.

Denny

i would be on board with that change...

220 has the most and fastest growth over the next 2 years. We will be getting another 50 planes during that time.

well, it is a high of 23 today in MSP.

Any guesses on junior captain systemwide?

Does it? The 321 NEO is not on the line yet, we are getting 100 of those.

i would say 320 or 220 should be good enough for him/her.

I did the math (source, the list of individual retirements from crew resources), between now and end of the conversion period, there are more WB retirements than posted vacancies. That aside, we are not parking widebody aircraft....shouldn’t the postings be keeping up with retirements.....as well as adding staffing for deliveries?

Ps...I’m only looking at A positions.

The person you are responding to is a future new hire waiting on a class date, so they are likely looking at what to do when they get the drop option.

Do they have to offer bypasses? At some point it seems like they would save more money calling people's bluff and say 100% of awards will train, go for it cowboy. Bypasses beget bypasses; the more that get them, the more that ask for them. Likewise if they shut it down, I think VERY few pilots would bid a higher hourly rate only paying category (training, loss of relative seniority and perhaps a commute) just for a couple years difference in hourly rates, usually all of which can be made up for in one's current category with their existing relative seniority in the first place.

Surprise pick: ATL88A 12,500 off a backfill.

They tried that with the A350 launch, few bypasses to try to scare people away from them, some retired in training or after a single OE trip. The problem is that they don't have the training capacity. It really bit them with the A350 last summer. They have the same issue on the other WB fleets now as well, if they don't do enough bypasses they can't train enough pilots to keep up.

Should have explained that but yes got the CJO yesterday and just looking at what's the best for a top option to get me to SLC. Sounds like 320/220 are both safe bets. Thanks!

I think 220 might be a bit quicker, but they should both get you there. 737 I would think would end up pretty close to 320 in time to hold SLC. More importantly though, congratulations!

Great hopefully can hold one of them! I'm towards the bottom on social number...thank you!

Junior WB FO guesses?

Only about half the retirements come off the widebodies. We even have pilots retire as FO’s.