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01-19-2020, 01:50 PM
#361
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
3% of our pilot group are at the top Capt pay rate, 7% if you include the 330/764 and only 20% of the group are even above our 7ER rate. It would be an interesting to see what we think a banded pay scale would look like here and cost out a normal career.
01-19-2020, 02:01 PM
#362
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You omitted copilot positions on those aircraft which is a huge omission. Total number of Delta pilots working on the A330/767-400 or larger is about 18% of the list or almost 1 out of 5 pilots. Captains only is 8.1% based on the Aug 2020 staffing forecast.
01-19-2020, 02:05 PM
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Total noob question here.
Looking at, say ATL 717A, there are no vacancies posted. As long as they don't say they won't back-fill that category then presumably as people move up out of 717A then others will move into 717A? And this is the "waterfall" effect everyone talks about?
Looking at, say ATL 717A, there are no vacancies posted. As long as they don't say they won't back-fill that category then presumably as people move up out of 717A then others will move into 717A? And this is the "waterfall" effect everyone talks about?
01-19-2020, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Not really, I specifically said Captains, and it's pretty much the same percentage on the FO side. So ~7-8% are at the top Capt AND FO pay rate. In the very post you quoted I specifically said there are ~20% in the 330/764 and above. None of that changes my point.
01-19-2020, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Total noob question here.
Looking at, say ATL 717A, there are no vacancies posted. As long as they don't say they won't back-fill that category then presumably as people move up out of 717A then others will move into 717A? And this is the "waterfall" effect everyone talks about?
Looking at, say ATL 717A, there are no vacancies posted. As long as they don't say they won't back-fill that category then presumably as people move up out of 717A then others will move into 717A? And this is the "waterfall" effect everyone talks about?
01-19-2020, 02:16 PM
#366
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We carry more copilots than Captains because of the relief pilot.
01-19-2020, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Total noob question here.
Looking at, say ATL 717A, there are no vacancies posted. As long as they don't say they won't back-fill that category then presumably as people move up out of 717A then others will move into 717A? And this is the "waterfall" effect everyone talks about?
Looking at, say ATL 717A, there are no vacancies posted. As long as they don't say they won't back-fill that category then presumably as people move up out of 717A then others will move into 717A? And this is the "waterfall" effect everyone talks about?
In theory, there would be backfills for any/all contingent vacancies but CR might limit the number of backfills if excessive training would be generated in other categories leaving to backfill in the ATL717A category. You just don't know what CR was thinking until the award is posted. This one is fairly significant so I would not be surprised if they fail to fill all published vacancies much less honor all/most backfill/contingency vacancies. There will be a-l-o-t of training events generated by this AE. Enjoy the ride!!! 😊
01-19-2020, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Yes, this bid will generate tremendous movement across all fleets. Even if on this bid they don’t backfill specific positions they will have to be posted on the next bid to be filled unless the category is shrinking. The only category currently shrinking is the MD88.
Originally Posted by FL370esq
Not really a "waterfall" but rather more like a small trickle when talking Captain vacancies at the lowest paying NBs. 😊.
In theory, there would be backfills for any/all contingent vacancies but CR might limit the number of backfills if excessive training would be generated in other categories leaving to backfill in the ATL717A category. You just don't know what CR was thinking until the award is posted. This one is fairly significant so I would not be surprised if they fail to fill all published vacancies much less honor all/most backfill/contingency vacancies. There will be a-l-o-t of training events generated by this AE. Enjoy the ride!!! 😊
In theory, there would be backfills for any/all contingent vacancies but CR might limit the number of backfills if excessive training would be generated in other categories leaving to backfill in the ATL717A category. You just don't know what CR was thinking until the award is posted. This one is fairly significant so I would not be surprised if they fail to fill all published vacancies much less honor all/most backfill/contingency vacancies. There will be a-l-o-t of training events generated by this AE. Enjoy the ride!!! 😊
01-19-2020, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Thanks, good to know.
Also good to know! I'm not expecting to upgrade anytime soon (still ~1000 away from NYC717A) but definitely watching a bit more closely now. Thanks.
Also good to know! I'm not expecting to upgrade anytime soon (still ~1000 away from NYC717A) but definitely watching a bit more closely now. Thanks.
I wouldn’t be surprised if 717A or 220A drops 1000 numbers on this bid. Being junior in nyc is not for everyone so it doesn’t take a ton of vacancies to get down the list.
01-19-2020, 05:07 PM
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Currently at 98% on the ER in nyc after 2 years.
I put down 320, 73N, 220, 717 Captain.
As a wildcard, 765 and 330 FO.
Realistic bids are ER ATL if I get xx percent or better.
Schedule cant really get worse I'm already doing mostly coverage days on reserve Actually got a line for February, but that's a fluke and full of uncommutable.
We will see how junior it goes. I seriously doubt it will go below 12,500 but who knows.
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I put down 320, 73N, 220, 717 Captain.
As a wildcard, 765 and 330 FO.
Realistic bids are ER ATL if I get xx percent or better.
Schedule cant really get worse I'm already doing mostly coverage days on reserve Actually got a line for February, but that's a fluke and full of uncommutable.
We will see how junior it goes. I seriously doubt it will go below 12,500 but who knows.
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