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Old 02-02-2020 | 07:39 AM
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Common sense told me that. What is the shortest time you ever heard of a major airline mediation taking? In order to have a ratified contract in effect for the summer we need A agreement by April. Are you saying you think that’s going to happen? I Think April of next year maybe.
sounded like you were speaking for management. As if they told you.

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Old 02-02-2020 | 07:52 AM
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They probably want a system more like United that gives the company flexibility to rebuild open time even combining trips from different bases.
This doesn’t happen already? As a RES, I primarily fly broken trips, or rebuilt trips like a 4-day that’s a Franken-trip stitched together from rotations from two different bases.
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Old 02-02-2020 | 08:05 AM
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This doesn’t happen already? As a RES, I primarily fly broken trips, or rebuilt trips like a 4-day that’s a Franken-trip stitched together from rotations from two different bases.
Its not supposed to happen. I would forward that rotation to ALPA. You almost certainly are due premium pay. Any flying known more than 14 hours in advance must go through that bases trip coverage sequence.
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Old 02-02-2020 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its not supposed to happen. I would forward that rotation to ALPA. You almost certainly are due premium pay. Any flying known more than 14 hours in advance must go through that bases trip coverage sequence.
I think its done through reroutes so the reserve flies the majority of the interrupted trip and the line holder gets what scheduling wants even though they are supposed to make an effort to return you to your original trip. There's often a need to cover flying that results in a reroute for no obvious reason other than your trip through ATL has the correct timing.
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Old 02-02-2020 | 08:54 AM
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And new guys think you'll do just fine.with your claim/note, frozen pension, an extra 5 years at the top of the seniority list, 15-20 years of 401k, and the stock you got for free from the company. (Yes, I know not all of those were directly earmarked as "rretirement")
Ahhh, I was referencing only his "new guy retirement" comment, nothing more. You expand the discussion about the old guys and the BK era issues/benefits, yet forget about the details. Note/claim money was nice, but most of us paid "ORDINARY INCOME TAX" ON MOST OF IT. 5 extra years at the top of the seniority list is offset by 5 years of F/O pay as a Captain. (I made about $150 an hour as a 20 year MD-88 captain). And the stock has not really increased much since the issue date.
On the other hand, 16-25% DC contributions for 25-35 years will dwarf what the old guys got for retirement monies. And don't count these other non retirement monies you list above, as they would be offset by todays payrates and rapid advancement (maybe thousands of 2 and 3 year Captains)
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Old 02-02-2020 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its not supposed to happen. I would forward that rotation to ALPA. You almost certainly are due premium pay. Any flying known more than 14 hours in advance must go through that bases trip coverage sequence.
You sure about that? I know anything that reports outside of 14 hours should go in open time and be covered via the coverage ladder but I’m not aware of a restriction about keeping it in base. Maybe for unbroken rotations but once it’s broken up I think it can go wherever it can be best covered.
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Old 02-02-2020 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Common sense told me that. What is the shortest time you ever heard of a major airline mediation taking? In order to have a ratified contract in effect for the summer we need A agreement by April. Are you saying you think that’s going to happen? I Think April of next year maybe.
While I agree with you that we won't have a TA before this summer, I believe Contract 2015 TA-1 set the land-speed record for $$ sections (less than one week?). So it can be done if there is the proper motivation.
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Old 02-02-2020 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
yeah I believe that would pay assignment pay at Delta. So effectively 300% for the whole trip, if rerouted prior to your first airborne leg.
Yes, I'm aware of that, but the situation rarely happens here. I've been here more than a decade and I've only heard of it happening once, to a friend. At SWA, reroutes like that are common it seems.
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Old 02-02-2020 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
Ahhh, I was referencing only his "new guy retirement" comment, nothing more. You expand the discussion about the old guys and the BK era issues/benefits, yet forget about the details. Note/claim money was nice, but most of us paid "ORDINARY INCOME TAX" ON MOST OF IT. 5 extra years at the top of the seniority list is offset by 5 years of F/O pay as a Captain. (I made about $150 an hour as a 20 year MD-88 captain). And the stock has not really increased much since the issue date.
On the other hand, 16-25% DC contributions for 25-35 years will dwarf what the old guys got for retirement monies. And don't count these other non retirement monies you list above, as they would be offset by todays payrates and rapid advancement (maybe thousands of 2 and 3 year Captains)
Lots of assumptions there. Like we will always get a DC. Like we will never see paycuts or furloughs. Like constant quick upgrades. Like the government won’t be gunning for the 401ks. Sure, if everything remains as it is today after 20 years we SHOULD have a nice retirement. What are you willing to give in this contract to ensure I have funded retirement? Because that’s what is being asked of everyone hired after 2010.
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Old 02-02-2020 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its not supposed to happen. I would forward that rotation to ALPA. You almost certainly are due premium pay. Any flying known more than 14 hours in advance must go through that bases trip coverage sequence.
Might be that it went through all the steps. But when I bid back to MSP, and was bidding RES, people asked me how the MSP trips were. My answer was: "I don't know. I only fly broken NYC and DTW trips."
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