Wanna bet?

 

You arent an airline pilot without a dee-vorce...a bankruptcy...a merger...AND sli integration...and another bankruptcy just to make sure.

 

Most of us senior north guys have flow Boeing and the bus. We also have commuted mostly are whole career. So it’s not that big of a deal to keep flying for high pay, full vacation, use personal drops. Whatever. It would have to be a Considerable lump some or at least 55 hours a month guarantee plus a way back to the seniority list if Delta goes bankrupt. But that’s me bird in the hand. I can’t speak for delta South guys.

 

With the displacement bid on the horizon this week, I don't think that there will be an ERP put out before then.

 

I fly w/ a lot of those top of the list A guys. From what I’ve heard, a lot of them have said they would take a AA style SIL buyout in a heartbeat. Don’t forget that they all have either a frozen pension or a PBGC retirement as well... the guys who I’ve had this conversation with all have friends who feel the same way. So at least in the big categories, I bet there’s more that would take it than you think.

 

Maybe, but the PBGC monthly benefit at 63 is roughly 20% of ALV on the A330. What would the average pilot do?

 

Excellent Comm Piece. Logically lays out all the many ways ignoring the union will cost the company big money and flexibility. Which is the MEC's strategy, I think.

The company seems poised to, once again, inexplicably thumb their nose at their most important partner's good suggestions, and publish a MOAD without the obvious churn-mitigation of a Pilot specific ERP. I suspect APLA knows/suspects the pending one-size-fits-all ERP will be so underwhelming to the pilot group that virtually no takers will bite, and will once again pit us vs. the rest of the employees in an attempt to extract more from us, and stupidly care more about keeping a FA union off property than save real money.

Wait for it, the MOAD will look more like UA than AA, and the ERP will be a nothing burger for us (and the noncons will cheer wildly...). The MEC is prepping the battlefield for the after party. I hope I'm wrong.

 

The NWA plan is frozen and the value does not increase with age. That is why they felt in the SLI negotiations that most NWA pilots would retire at 60. The PBGC payment goes up substantially every year you don’t take it so waiting to 65 is a no brainer. In the end however I understand the average retirement ages both North and South are almost identical. I think any plan is not going to have a huge number of takers. I am hearing rumors about a company wide plan which would be offered to pilots being 1 week of pay for each year of service up to 32 weeks in a lump. I really can’t see the company paying lumps out at the moment but the source was good. If true and I am skeptical the devil would be defining a weeks pay. Would it be based off FAE or 80 hours a month. Big difference for some.

 

Heard same. Sils and the ERP aren't worth the value of negotiating with multiple unions 5 years down the road.

 

No early out pkg until we agree on size of pay cut.

Its gona look like contract 96 and the pre 72 escape hatch that closed with signing.

50hrs at current pay rates will look dang good after we take a 30% cut