I have been wondering this too. I’m not military but I’ve been told by those that are that DL is not terribly friendly to mil leave. The only thing I can think is are they trying to get these guys to take PLOA instead of MLOA to save the 16% 401k? That is about the only reason I can think not to be waiving the 5 year limit right now.

 

No. Not the voluntary... I’m pretty sure that’s gravy. I was talking about any TA that makes any changes to our PWA.

 

First off I think its a very small but very, very vocal minority that feels this way. The vast majority want no concessions. No deals period - only a few outliers. Secondly there is not a single reason but multiple reasons - some more valid then others. I will list a few. I am not advocating , agreeing with, disagreeing with or endorsing any of these reasons just listing the issues that I have seen come up on various Social Media platforms.

We had 2 rounds of furloughs previously in which furloughees had zero time to prepare and some of these guys are now in their final years and this is their time to make money.

Very recently many Pilots including potential furloughees did not seem to care too much about helping out soon to be retirees.

Many Pilots are concerned about the waterfall affects of voluntary measures. Even though its voluntary secondary and tertiary affects may impact Pilots who don't participate.

Some feel management will eventually do what they want anyway and some of these deals are just setting the domino's in place to eventually fall the way they want.

With all of this said if the MEC overwhelmingly agrees with the voluntary measures I don't believe that they will be subject to MEMRAT. If voluntary measures only have lukewarm support it would go to MEMRAT. But, and this is the important part - why would anyone be against voluntary measures that benefits the Pilot group? IMHO this is why voluntary measures will almost always overwhelmingly be endorsed by the MEC which then leads to the thinking that MEMRAT is not required.

Scoop

 

I think United's deal has out a lot of us on edge. Most of us were easily crediting 90 hours per month on average by doing a GS every other month. The loss of profit sharing, green slips, displacements, etc. have knocked all of our salaries down. Most of us are still doing pretty good because our budgets are based on 75 hours. If United's deal comes here, the senior guys are looking at a 24 percent pay cut from what there budget is based on. Middle third would be looking at 30 percent, and bottom guys 50 percent. When you look at numbers that staggering, it's hard to cheer for a deal.

I don't think anyone wants to see furloughs, but the price to avoid them is too high based on United's deal.

 

The MEC could use the voting period to buy time and force Delta to act first. If furloughs are really planned for October 1, then we will have an answer to their intent.

 

Who ever said United’s deal is coming here? It’d be DOA if it tried.

 

I don't think that's quite accurate. Most of us junior guys had no interest in returning to a full on pension like some of the pilots were clamoring for. We were certainly interested in helping out in retirement restoration, but there were other ways to do it. From what I've seen on FB, a lot of people are saying TS, deal with it, I've been furloughed before.

It's a very sticky issue. On the one hand, I worked very hard to get here, seniority matters, etc. On the other hand, I know I'm very lucky to have gotten hired when I did and I could easily be in that group who doesn't know what the future holds. I don't want to destroy the contract to MAYBE save jobs for a few months...but I don't want to see people on the street either.

 

It depends on the deal. Virtual Basing was 100% voluntary but it would have impacted rotations in the regular bases and required fewer pilots overall. I think it would fail memrat.

Memrating all LOAs... was recently put in our policy manual to prevent a union with “smartest guy in the room” syndrome from undermining the membership. It is the default position but can be overridden by a separate vote to not follow section 9 of the policy manual.

 

Well if the UAL deal is truly as bad as you say it will crash and burn in MEMRAT. You are only looking at the MPG but not factoring in the thousands of displacement cancellations. Hundreds of UAL Pilots will be making Captains pay while potentially flying as FO. Thousands will be working instead of being furloughed. It may not be all good, but it sure as hell aint all bad.

Are we really supposed to lose much sleep over Pilots who base their budgets on PS and GS's?

Scoop

 

Going to waive the BS flag on this. 40ish new hires is nothing new. The average age in my new hire class was 45, all civilian and that was 1999.

Anyone who thinks this is new or out of the ordinary has been living in a very small bubble for the last 20 years.