It took months for IT to fix the glitch giving us middle seat DHs when the middle seats couldn’t be booked for COVID.

Travel net checkin issues still abound.

They can’t even given the voluntary lines away yet because of IT.

I could go on and on. Though your proposal has merits, I think I will not hold my breath.

 

As a 9E guy, I'm not going to involve myself in the bad politics going on between DALPA and management. That being said, the decision to give S3A status to us was due to the fact that we had double digit pilots who were unable to commute to work every day because they were being bumped by delta employees enjoying their retirement benefits.

I am 100% for you guys and us being able to enjoy the fruits of our +20 year careers, but the "free" tickets only last as long as Delta makes money. I don't have to tell you how hard it is to run an efficient operation when you have tons of crew members who aren't able to get into position.

Pilots didn't make the decision to give 9E S3A and for some reason we still catch flack for stuff we don't have control over. Lest we forget It was Delta pilots that voted many years ago to allow for our existence.

 

Talking out of both sides of your mouth. “Life’s not fair”. Just to complain about retirement passes “that’s not fair”. Lol. I don’t care ether way but enjoy your Hypocrisy.

 

Respectfully, I think it is in poor taste to consider 9E folks unworthy of S3A by casting them aside as “contract labor.” Every day, they make meaningful contributions to the success of the system as a whole. Many use the pass to commute. IMHO getting to and from home trumps leisure any day. Leisure travel for active folks of either pedigree should also take the enhanced priority as their sometimes limited days off confine the ability to be as flexible as a retiree could be.

If years of service your benchmark for this argument, then why shouldn’t retirees go ahead of the active junior S3 too?

 

Because they are NOT DELTA EMPLOYEES. As Endeavor employees, they already get access to a massive, international network to NonRev, not just their regional network. That's a big enough windfall

 

Because they are active Delta employees and we're talking about DELTA flights. To my knowledge, it's always been this way. Deflection.....

 

you are acting like we are letting a spirit jumpseater go ahead of retirees. Endeavor employees contribute to the operation that allowed us to have an airline to fly on

not trying to be a Richard, but they are not just another airline with little affiliation to us. They exclusively fly delta passengers on delta owned planes in and out of delta hubs all day long and have no other affiliation with any other airline. If we focus on section 1 of the contract and bring that flying back that would be the best way to solve this problem IMO but that is another discussion for another day.

 

Speaking as a guy from EDV now at DAL, Delta management made it extremely clear they felt EDV folks were abusing the positive space. We had to do extra paperwork every time we did it, and Delta found out they were wrong.

Just MEM-NYC or DTW-NYC a couple pos space tickets wouldnt matter. But you had jax, orf, bos, mco, fll, and a lot of bigger dollar cities missing double digits of seats on EDV pos space when there weren't any spaces to spare... Delta made a business decision and left the retirees out in the cold.

It was either upgauge for non revs trying to goto work to make delta money or get the EDV guys on. That is getting forgotten pretty quickly in all this.

 

It is sad how many tickets I’ve bought over the years as a full time not yet retired employee. When I got hired break even LOA’s factor was 55% and everything was wide open. At least tickets are cheap during the pandemic.

 

Because s/he is an active employee of a different airline. S/he is not an employee of Delta. Otherwise s/he would be on the Delta Pilot Seniority List.

If you don’t believe a Delta Pilot retiree has an affiliation with DL then I don’t know what to tell you other than I believe you are wrong. If there was no affiliation then there would be no pass benefits etc.

Denny

Edit: I got no problem with EDV pilots using this to get to/from work. It’s the rest of it that bothers me.