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04-03-2021, 07:38 AM

#1941

Drum

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Originally Posted by fishforfun

I was wondering when the with conflict was going to start. I’m putting in only with conflict from here on out. If you’re NYC 320 I would suggest the same for anyone else.

We had 14 trips in OT yesterday. Now down to 5. I got called, while on a trip, 3 times by the IA bot.

I got rerouted too yesterday. Domicile layover now to ATL, then MCO. then overnight, then ATL then DH. back to base. Lost my 30 hour layover. Now have a 11 hour one in MCO.

I feel you fish. I read you're earlier posts too. I'm right there with you. We MUST do something about these schedules and re- routes. It's out of control.

Fleet is 7ER.

04-03-2021, 08:04 AM

#1942

XJ86

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Originally Posted by Gooner

I believe the point is WWYBBWYW, so good for you.

I dont speak gibberish letters

04-03-2021, 08:06 AM

#1943

GogglesPisano

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Originally Posted by XJ86

I dont speak gibberish letters

I think it's What Would Your Big Brother with Yo-yo's Want.

04-03-2021, 08:08 AM

#1944

XJ86

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Originally Posted by Roper92

I’m curious about though because it’s not the 5 am wake ups that hurt. It’s the 6:00 am east coast departures requiring an 5:00 show, meaning an 4:30-ish van ride, with a 3:45 wake up. Oh, live one time zone to the west? You’re now up at 2:45 am on your body clock. Oh and by the way, your arrival time the two previous nights were around midnight so good luck getting to sleep at 8 pm! I haven’t tried the international game yet, but I’ve certainly felt the domestic beat down.

I agree I did the up for 24 hours commute on each end with old rest rules reduced sleep then redeye home for 7 years... now I bid not travel east of the Mississippi and get normal sleep every layover practically. Sure irs not exotic but my paid for delta one family vacations are a lot more exotic then redeye 24h layover cargo hold rest going to 3rd world south America or African countries with armed escorts that cant be trusted

04-03-2021, 08:08 AM

#1945

fishforfun

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

I think it's What Would Your Big Brother with Yo-yo's Want.

As Andy Bernard would say, “Nailed it!”

04-03-2021, 08:10 AM

#1946

NuGuy

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Originally Posted by ebl14

I think a good starting point would be “2x pay for any rotation where a re-route occurs”. Maybe settle on “2x pay for any day a re-route occurs” after some negotiation. I think SWA has language similar to this... someone help me out.

Not a SWA guy, but I think if they keep you within the duty window of the original day, then no premium. If they move the duty period up (earlier report) or it extends past the original end of the duty period, then I think it's 1.5x for the whole day for the move up, and 1.5 for any duty legs that go past the back end. I also think their penalties "stack", which can drive the multiplier way up.

The biggest difference I see between the two systems is that at SWA, they just assume reroutes & trip changes are going to happen, and pay it out automatically. Our system has a higher penalty with the idea of discouraging the practice.

04-03-2021, 08:38 AM

#1947

DWC CAP10 USAF

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

on a side note, what is the difference between single pay and credit and single pay/no credit?

Pay+Credit goes toward your guarantee

Pay only / no credit goes above

04-03-2021, 08:39 AM

#1948

FL370esq

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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF

Pay+Credit goes toward your guarantee

Pay only / no credit goes above

And....you can only bank credit, not pay.

04-03-2021, 08:41 AM

#1949

Bergman

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Originally Posted by Cookenbauer

Unfortunately the abuse is and was synonymous as normal ops and a scheduling tool. My take...while I don't want to be rerouted, I understand the company needs to sometimes keep the operation running. If they need me to do it...that's fine, but I need to be properly compensated. I have a strong feeling most pilots would go ahead and accept a reroute willingly if double pay started coming into play. Also...if the reason why the company needs "flexibility " is self imposed because their crusade to eliminate credit and create absurd rotations destinated to fail are the norm...well I have zero patience with trying to by a team player because they are being bad faith actors. Reroute language is arguably my most important concern next contract with regards to QOL item bucket lists.

This!! 100% agree with all of this.

I’m absolutely a team player. I understand the business and know reroutes happen for number legitimate reasons. But short staffing, ridiculous rotations and min turn times are not valid reasons.

04-03-2021, 08:45 AM

#1950

Bergman

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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF

Bidding ATL is a choice!😎

hahaha! True enough. I guess I chose my displacement to ATL. Can’t get back to DTW fast enough! Someone on here once said, “Your career improves directly to how far you are based from Atlanta” and they were right.