When Section 6 starts up again...
03-21-2021 | 01:16 PM
#113
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Just curious. Could it be more complex than that?
They close your base and you don't move and are "forced" to commute......that's a choice?
Your base becomes super senior due to realignment and you chose not to commute and suffer "stagnation"......that's a choice?
They change the retirement age and you are "stuck" in the RJ world instead of quitting......that's a choice?
The company hands you a 48% pay cut and you don't quit and slog out the 10 year recovery......that's a choice?
You had covid and choose not to vax.....that's a choice?
That's the neat thing about "Merica....lots of choices.....just sometimes, some are more palatable than others.
I guess one could say suicide is a choice.....so no empathy, no perspective, no attempt at "understanding" ? Just "tough tata's", that was your choice?
I too am comfortable with all the above as far as logic goes.....but it sounds a little tone deaf....or am I misunderstanding what you are getting at?
They close your base and you don't move and are "forced" to commute......that's a choice?
Your base becomes super senior due to realignment and you chose not to commute and suffer "stagnation"......that's a choice?
They change the retirement age and you are "stuck" in the RJ world instead of quitting......that's a choice?
The company hands you a 48% pay cut and you don't quit and slog out the 10 year recovery......that's a choice?
You had covid and choose not to vax.....that's a choice?
That's the neat thing about "Merica....lots of choices.....just sometimes, some are more palatable than others.
I guess one could say suicide is a choice.....so no empathy, no perspective, no attempt at "understanding" ? Just "tough tata's", that was your choice?
I too am comfortable with all the above as far as logic goes.....but it sounds a little tone deaf....or am I misunderstanding what you are getting at?
03-21-2021 | 01:26 PM
#114
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My class was mostly awesome. Especially the guys I interviewed with. We had a good time. That dinner was weird though. Maybe cause I was at a table with the now CEO of endeavor. The food was awesome, throw a dinner for James Bond and friends and they’ll be happy.
03-21-2021 | 01:50 PM
#115
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New hire dinner? What’s that? 3/16/20 hire...
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03-21-2021 | 02:07 PM
#116
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Yes....
Do I think that the50% of the populace that pays no federal income tax understand the tax burden. No
Same /same....thanks for playing
Ted...u are a smart /well informed person. The vast majority are not you.....you should undetstand that. I do.
Do I think that the50% of the populace that pays no federal income tax understand the tax burden. No
Same /same....thanks for playing
Ted...u are a smart /well informed person. The vast majority are not you.....you should undetstand that. I do.
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03-21-2021 | 02:10 PM
#117
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Oh crap
I forgot to add....
a pony !!!! I want a pony....
and a unicorn....a purple unicorn if we can get one !!!
Now that would be a good start on openers
I'll leave it for the reader to decide if I am for realz, making humor, or scoffing it previous posts....or possibly all choices might be correct if it was a multiple choice question!
I forgot to add....
a pony !!!! I want a pony....
and a unicorn....a purple unicorn if we can get one !!!
Now that would be a good start on openers
I'll leave it for the reader to decide if I am for realz, making humor, or scoffing it previous posts....or possibly all choices might be correct if it was a multiple choice question!
03-21-2021 | 02:23 PM
#118
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Do you really think folks hired after 2010 miss those points? People don’t drop into their Delta job out of the ether. Many of us - maybe even most of us - have been thinking about and preparing for this career since childhood. We aren’t oblivious to what happened to those who came before us... and if we are after years of subsequent active employment listening to our elders in Delta cockpits, well, your posts and mine in APC probably won’t help.
I think problems may come in when people compare “then” to “now” without a broader perspective on income. $175k a year 15 years ago was and is actually a $hit ton of money. The vast majority of Americans who were busting their butts in 2006-2009 sure weren’t generating that kind of income, with that kind of sick leave, that kind of paid vacation or your type of health care and travel benefits. Naturally, I’d rather have what we have now and I’ll keep scrapping for more in section 6. But if I am being honest, my sympathy for hardships is stronger for other demographics in other industries. There are plenty of things I’d sacrifice for (see my yes vote on 20-03)...”fully restoring” a hard-to-define (senior) dead-zoner major airline captain may not be at the top of that list. If I’m ever a 61 year old 350 captain with four earning years ahead of me... I’ll probably not expect much from young junior FOs unless that ask benefits them immediately as well.
I think problems may come in when people compare “then” to “now” without a broader perspective on income. $175k a year 15 years ago was and is actually a $hit ton of money. The vast majority of Americans who were busting their butts in 2006-2009 sure weren’t generating that kind of income, with that kind of sick leave, that kind of paid vacation or your type of health care and travel benefits. Naturally, I’d rather have what we have now and I’ll keep scrapping for more in section 6. But if I am being honest, my sympathy for hardships is stronger for other demographics in other industries. There are plenty of things I’d sacrifice for (see my yes vote on 20-03)...”fully restoring” a hard-to-define (senior) dead-zoner major airline captain may not be at the top of that list. If I’m ever a 61 year old 350 captain with four earning years ahead of me... I’ll probably not expect much from young junior FOs unless that ask benefits them immediately as well.
03-21-2021 | 03:20 PM
#120
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Just a small point, there was virtually no sick leave in the bankruptcy contract back then. Not enough to cover even 1 long international trip. Most pilots hired post 2010 have no idea how dramatic the contractual improvements have been since 2007. Sure is a good thing we abandoned the negotiating strategy that brought those improvements and went with the moonshot approach!
Good to know. I didn’t know sick leave was temporarily metered back to what, only 7-10 days a year? Still more than the average Joe by a lot, though.
It’s hard to describe a negotiating strategy as a moonshot based only on our opener and zero response from management on many sections before they drove straight to mediation. I expect an opener to be a moonshot - particularly in the economy it was offered in. I’m also pleased that certain items were already AIP’d - although not the big ones - before the pandemic.
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