Your posts in reference to people’s wishes for section 6 always contain a condescending rant about the cost. It’s a wish list, obviously what the final TA includes is going to come down to what can be negotiated within the cost framework that is also negotiated. Everyone understands that. People still can and should, because people have great ideas, throw out what they would like to see. Some of it may just end up in the deal and benefit many people.

Maybe you don’t want to give to management, but your incessant insinuation that everyone is a bunch of spoiled entitled brats who ask for way too much comes off as a management apologist who has lost just as much sleep as Ed.

I wish you luck in your hunt for purple unicorns. Don’t hold your breath though, I think my daughter has cornered the entire herd.

 

Shack....couldn't agree more. "But, but, but....we have leverage", "they have a training crisis". ....haven't you heard?

Not gonna affect me....but I do scratch my head in amazement.

 

Oh look, a logical and well thought out post to discuss..

 

Don't tell me you have given up on your quest to smear me and besmirch me in only 4 minutes!!!! This is my shocked face... So you throw shiznit out there but can't back it up? Standard

G'day to you sir also


Oh, by the way ....what about the arguments where I asked for additional "stuff", in addition to stuff you wanted? You want to address that. I was adding to the wish list.....why do you have a problem with that......what I attempted to lay out seemed (at least on the surface) to be another logical "ASK"

 

Im new to all this so forgive me if this is a dumb question. Do we know what sections were AIPd yet specifically?

 

Did you read the post immediately proceeding the one you quoted? I'm more than happy to discuss substance as opposed to my obvious, self stated humor, which you took out of context.....on purpose... which is tragic

 

The “proceeding” post where you asked about the cost of the asked for improvements? I already referenced that habit of yours in a preceding post.

You have options on what kind of post the next quoted post was. One was humor, two were not. Boog chose a fourth unlisted option.

You claim you want a logical and well thought out post but continue to throw BS at people and if it’s questioned, “Well, it was a joke.” Same old playbook as always, but carry on.

Cheers, and bless your heart.

 

Negotiators Notepad 19-08 discusses this some. Here is an excerpt from an email dated 1/9/2020 from DalComm...Update on Completed Sections

In addition to the specifics provided in Part 1 of the update, ALPA and Delta have reached conceptual agreement on several sections, but are still working on final PWA language. Once the language is finalized, these sections will then be declared TAs:

• Section 4 – Minimum Pay and Credit Guarantees
  Gains providing pay for required Chief Pilot visits, pay above guarantee for short-call assignments, and improvements for reserve pilots who have a green-slip/inverse assignment cancelled.
• Section 14 – Sick Leave
  Improvements have been secured on automating how a pilot calls in sick and well. Verification triggers have been improved by eliminating the 160-hour threshold. Limitations on the Company's usage of Good Faith Basis have been established, and exclusions for acute conditions and non "major bones" have been eliminated.
• Section 16 – Crew Augmentation and International Operations
  Established a requirement for rest facilities on all new aircraft conducting augmented operations: Class I for widebody, and Class II for narrow body. Usage of A330 aircraft with one bunk on flights over 12 hours will be phased out.
• Section 24 – General
  Jumpseat improvements, and a paid commuter parking benefit have been secured.

 

According to the 20-01 negotiators notepad, they had TAs on 6, 15, 18, 19, 20 and 21. They also had AIPs but no final language on 4, 5 excluding per diem, 14, 16, and 24.

 

Here was the stuff from Part 1:

C2019 Negotiations - Where We Are
The following is a high-level overview of active or completed PWA sections, LOAs, and additional negotiations. A table is provided at the end for a quick reference of the status of negotiations at the time of publication:
Tentative Agreements
ALPA and Delta have reached Tentative Agreements (TA) on the following sections. All TAs, which reflect full contract language, are subject to approval by the Delta MEC.
• Section 6 – Relocation
o (TA) Gains secured. Greater flexibility for qualifying moves, increased reimbursements and allowances. Increased insurance limits.
• Section 15 – Physical Examinations o (TA) Improved pilot protections.

• Section 18 – Grievances
o (TA) Improvements to discipline transparency and processes.
• Section 19 – System Board of Adjustment
o (TA) Clarified language to reflect current practices and incorporated System Board decision.
• Section 20 – Seniority
o (TA) Improvements for furloughed probationary pilots.
• Section 21 – Furlough and Recall
o (TA) Improvements to furlough protection.
Open and Active Sections
• Section 5 – Lodging and Expenses
o Currently open and active. A disparity remains between the Company and ALPA on per diem and crew meal provisions.
• Section 7 – Vacation
o Currently open and active. Wide disparity remains between Company and ALPA positions. Delta is 7th in the
industry in total vacation value. For more information, see C2019: Road to the TA 19-09 Section-by-Section:
Vacation.
• Section 8 – Deadheading
o Currently open and active. There is a wide disparity between Company and ALPA positions regarding deadhead seat provisions. Delta pilot contractual deadhead provisions are some of the worst in the industry, and repeated attempts to address this issue with the Company outside of negotiations have largely been ignored. For more information see C2019: Road to the TA 19-06 Section-by-Section: Deadhead.
• Section 13 - Leaves of Absence
o Open and active. The Company recently responded to this section three months after ALPA’s initial proposal.
• Section 16 – Crew Augmentation and International Operations o Openandactive.
• Section 22 – Filling of Vacancies o Openandactive.
• Section 24 – General o Openandactive.
Upcoming Sections
• Sections 3 (Compensation), 4 (Minimum Pay and Credit), 11 (Training), 12 (Hours of Service), and 23 (Scheduling)
o These sections will be opened in upcoming C2019 negotiating sessions.
• Sections 1 (Scope), 25 (Medical, Dental, Life Insurance), and 26 (Retirement and Disability Benefits)
o ALPA has met with the Company to discuss improvements to these sections outside of Section 6 negotiations. There is potential for agreement if the Company shows a willingness to address concerns over joint venture arrangements and improvements to our retirement. Absent any agreement, these sections will eventually be resolved in the formal Section 6 process.
Unopened Sections
• Sections 9 (Miscellaneous Flying), 10 (Administrative Pilots), 17 (Witness and Representatives), and 27 (Union Security and Check-Off)
o ALPA has no plans to propose changes to these sections at this time.
Completed LOAs
• LOA #19-01 — ALPA Communications, Aircraft Data & Personal Electronic Privacy
• LOA #19-02 — 2019 Day of Service
o Both letters of agreement were negotiated subsequent to C2019 openers.

Ongoing LOA Negotiations
• Two LOAs seeking improvements to both the Fitness Review Board (FRB) and current ARCOS practices are open and active.
Joint Venture (JV) Production Balance Negotiations
As required by PWA Section 1 E. 10., the NC is meeting with the Company to establish job protections related to current and future proposed JV agreements:
• Blues Skies Joint Venture
o Delta has approached ALPA to negotiate a possible production balance LOA for the proposed Blue Skies JV with Air France/KLM and Virgin Atlantic. In the meantime, PWA Sections 1 P. and 1 R. separately govern the Air France/KLM/Alitalia and Virgin Atlantic production balances and will continue to do so until an alternate agreement combining these agreements is reached. Negotiations are active.
• WestJet Joint Venture
o Delta has notified ALPA that it will be proposing a WestJet JV production balance LOA. Negotiations are
scheduled to commence in late October, and default provisions of PWA Section 1 E. will continue to apply in the absence of an agreed upon production balance with ALPA.