35 Large RJs coming back?
07-16-2021, 10:29 PM
#1422
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: Supreme Allied Commander
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
Middle ground is an arbitrator stating that LOA9 is not fulfilled with Endeavor, but that it isn’t dead either.
He outlines the hoops Delta has to jump thorough like buying the Compass certificate. If he says no to what Delta did, but outlines a more expensive path for Delta to retain LOA 9 then you’d have negotiating capital. The principle of a scope sale would be gone, and the price to settle would be a value of the “hoops” Delta would have to jump through to revive LOA 9.
He outlines the hoops Delta has to jump thorough like buying the Compass certificate. If he says no to what Delta did, but outlines a more expensive path for Delta to retain LOA 9 then you’d have negotiating capital. The principle of a scope sale would be gone, and the price to settle would be a value of the “hoops” Delta would have to jump through to revive LOA 9.
07-16-2021, 10:49 PM
#1424
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 774
Originally Posted by saturn
The Compass operating certificate was purchased and is held by Breeze. So....
Literally just hustled widebodys out of a real airline.
07-17-2021, 04:43 AM
#1426
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: NYC ER
Posts: 472
Originally Posted by TurbineDriver
No way I would vote to give up scope for positive space commuting.
Let’s not sell our selves short, positive space commute is crumbs. (Maybe part of a package ok)
Plus need to “give” the FAs the same, that always hurts us..
07-17-2021, 05:39 AM
#1427
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,990
Originally Posted by dbrownie
Agree, if the arbitrator sides w the company so be it but at least we stood up.
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We need to take this fight to the court of public opinion.
07-17-2021, 06:15 AM
#1428
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Joined APC: May 2011
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Let's take the exchange for scope out of this conversation for a second. Positive space commuting doesn't have to be an "us vs them" topic. As a non-commuter, I would 100% back up positive space commuting. I like to know that my fellow pilot isn't stressing about making it home to their kids t-ball game or even make it home that night. People may choose to commute out of base and impact me in a positive way or choose to come to my base which and hurt my seniority lol. Bottom line, positive space commuting would be a big win. Who knows I may move out of base down the road and it could end up being a great benefit for me too. Sometimes being a part of a union means you go along with things that good for all, not just you. Again, I'm not talking about exchanging this for scope.
Some issues are of course beneficial to the whole, like pay and scope(and even that could be argued as a divisive issue), and some are divisive like pos space commuting.
a few counter point to pow space commuting and my own position:
-pos space commuting hurts in base domiciled pilots as white slips and greens slips that would under normal non pos spaces rules fall to the in domicile residence pilots.
-The we have to give it to the FA issue makes the few limited seats that would be available to nonrevs unavailable in some cases, thus those nonrevs who would exercise their seniority to get on a flight, are getting that seniority abrogated.
-out of base pick ups by white slippers, who can pos space in to cover the trip diminishes the trip availability , thereby diminishing the ability and flexibility to adjust the in base schedule of the in base domiciled pilot.
07-17-2021, 06:34 AM
#1429
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Position: NYC ER
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
It is better to have WON.
We need to take this fight to the court of public opinion.
We need to take this fight to the court of public opinion.
The only one who likes us is little kids and other pilots
07-17-2021, 06:59 AM
#1430
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Originally Posted by dbrownie
Agree better to have WON, the court of public opinion?
The only one who likes us is little kids and other pilots
The only one who likes us is little kids and other pilots
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