35 Large RJs coming back?

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05-03-2021 | 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

I’d love to bring all dual class flying to mainline, but I don’t see that happening without big changes to our contract.

It does not sound like there is a “talk about this” but more so a “it’s in the current contract and we plan to use it”

You know what else is in the current contract? Pay rates for the 900s.

This screams “we were violating scope, got caught, and now need to figure out how to do what we were doing anyway.” They don’t care about flow up or down.

05-03-2021 | 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf424

They care about keeping RJs flying. Before covid EDV was losing more than they could hire. It’s a carrot to keep RJ pilots there for 7 years rather than bailing for LCCs.

05-03-2021 | 12:39 PM

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DCI already parked 50-60 CRJ200s and all will be gone by end of 2023. Ignoring these 35, this is the smallest DCI has been in well over a decade. With no CRJ900 replacement, the SpaceJet dead, and E-175 eventually on way out (E2 is too heavy for scope) time is on our side to watch it continue to shrink.

You can still buy the old series ERJs, my guess is that's what they want to do, buy 35 of those. The 6 seats have already come out of some of the 900's, and I highly doubt they go back in.

05-03-2021 | 12:40 PM

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oh I completely agree, to my knowledge they are STILL flying mode than 188 76 seaters. Something something always keep your deals.

On a side note would probably bid the CRJ900 if it came here. Pay aside I liked the layovers and I bet my seniority would be great

05-03-2021 | 12:42 PM

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You can still buy the old series ERJs, my guess is that's what they want to do, buy 35 of those. The 6 seats have already come out of some of the 900's, and I highly doubt they go back in.

Until ICAO emissions kick in in 2027 yes. I know, six years out, but it takes a few years to make a new jet.

Yes if you’re gonna have to put 76 seats in one jet, do it in the ERJ with greater MTOW and use the big wing. Burns a bit more so spreading the cost out on 76 seats and the more efficient 900 having 70 is probably a winner.

05-03-2021 | 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceberg

I liked that too. He says they adjusted the large RJ fleet by the contractual amount after the flow-down was no longer available. Left out the part where it took them months and grievances to comply with the contract. Those planes should be left in the desert for spare parts.

i was told on here by someone it was a absolutely shocking we would hold the company to the contract during covid and to just not worry about it, because the arbitrator sure won't.

05-03-2021 | 01:48 PM

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Looks like the orange lanyards at Endeavor worked? Or was it the 35 RJs the company needed? Brave New World

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05-03-2021 | 01:48 PM

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I was not around for furloughs. Also, there are roughly one thousand improvements I’d like to see in our contract, and a flow-down provision has never been on that list. Should it be? If that’s the carrot to get us to yield on scope, I’m currently a huge “no thanks.”

05-03-2021 | 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TED74

Flow Down was already in the contract, this would "get it back". Not saying I agree with it.

05-03-2021 | 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

i was told on here by someone it was a absolutely shocking we would hold the company to the contract during covid and to just not worry about it, because the arbitrator sure won't.

I could give them a short pass with how fast loads dropped off the cliff last spring, it would have been nearly impossible to stay within limits with all the moving parts. Things should have been squared up within a month or two though, yet they may or may not be meeting the numbers still.

At least they weren’t violating scope provisions prior to the Covid dropoff...