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Old 05-12-2022 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by toolowterrain
I bet most of those deviations are SLC, LAX, SEA pilots.
they were.

LCP highlighted the lack of awareness of WATRS procedures by pilots from non NYC bases, and his concern was dismissed by the higher ups.
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Old 05-12-2022 | 02:25 PM
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LCP had said he was asking to make WATRS a TOE requirement for the 737 guys….mgmt told him to pound sand.
not even remotely shocking. (Look at how we handle training here, Example: systems)

But the more I sit here and think about it the more I realize I’m glad I did it as an FO if I upgrade on the 737, especially in NYC.
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Old 05-12-2022 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
It’s not that hard, follow the dang guide. And don’t be scared of a HF radio!
I have flown with a lot of Capts being DH’d in from other bases to fly the one day turns…80% have no idea the WATRS+ guide is in the 737 topics of interest in Aerodocs.

And yes I know the Route Guide Supplement in the AM exits, but it is lacking when compared to the guide in the topics of interest.
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Old 05-12-2022 | 02:56 PM
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We do a great job of burying that watrs guide
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Old 05-12-2022 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinthrew
I was given a CJO before Covid and went to indoc in August 2021. I have a NYC73NA award. I have no 121 time. I was a single seat mil pilot so none of my mil time counts towards the 1000 hour requirement.

I have no regrets. I am 40 years old, and been flying for awhile. I have been a PIC in some pretty heavy situations so possibly being in that position doesn’t bother me. I have no doubts that I can handle anything the plane throws at me or the crew.

The mitigation strategy from the company is a full IQ (even though I’ve done IQ once), 47 hours of OE, and a two leg line check. I don’t think there is going to be any issues.

The one big hole I see is for the people who do have the 121 time already. I have quite a few spaces
filled in on my 121 bingo card (airborne malfunctions, de-icing in JFK, missing HR, drunk pax, SAQ airports, a really messy ground malfunction in international environment, etc), but I need to see more. I will get the chance (and obtw, there is no universe in which I’m shooting for 1000 hours of block in a year or maybe even two) They won’t get the chance AT DELTA, and that’s a threat.

Some people say “why do that to yourself?” I think in the current environment someone in the bottom 50% of the list is going to get completely broke off no matter what. If I’m going to have uncommutable trips paddling the canoe to PBI over and over again I might as well make way more money doing it. Rotation construction and QOL with either improve or I’ll bail to WB FO when I’m senior enough for it to make sense.
“I have no doubts that I can handle anything……”

“I don’t think there is going to be any issues.”

“I was a single seat mil pilot…..”.
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Old 05-12-2022 | 04:11 PM
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So, what’s the current wait for class after a CJO?
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Old 05-12-2022 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
“I have no doubts that I can handle anything……”

“I don’t think there is going to be any issues.”

“I was a single seat mil pilot…..”.
That's how I read it. LOL
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Old 05-13-2022 | 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
“I have no doubts that I can handle anything……”

“I don’t think there is going to be any issues.”

“I was a single seat mil pilot…..”.
I think you guys are being harsh. He seems like he has a great attitude and the proper mix of confidence and humility for a first time early upgrade 121 captain. I’m not sure exactly what kind of attitude you’re looking for to get the APC stamp of approval.
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Old 05-13-2022 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sebastiaen
So, what’s the current wait for class after a CJO?
Depends on how long your background checks take. Some are going 2 weeks. Mine was 5. Supposedly has to do with the states getting back to them on the requests.
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Old 05-13-2022 | 10:06 AM
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So, how about the next classes drop...anything?
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