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Old 05-12-2022, 05:49 AM
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I was given a CJO before Covid and went to indoc in August 2021. I have a NYC73NA award. I have no 121 time. I was a single seat mil pilot so none of my mil time counts towards the 1000 hour requirement.

I have no regrets. I am 40 years old, and been flying for awhile. I have been a PIC in some pretty heavy situations so possibly being in that position doesn’t bother me. I have no doubts that I can handle anything the plane throws at me or the crew.

The mitigation strategy from the company is a full IQ (even though I’ve done IQ once), 47 hours of OE, and a two leg line check. I don’t think there is going to be any issues.

The one big hole I see is for the people who do have the 121 time already. I have quite a few spaces
filled in on my 121 bingo card (airborne malfunctions, de-icing in JFK, missing HR, drunk pax, SAQ airports, a really messy ground malfunction in international environment, etc), but I need to see more. I will get the chance (and obtw, there is no universe in which I’m shooting for 1000 hours of block in a year or maybe even two) They won’t get the chance AT DELTA, and that’s a threat.

Some people say “why do that to yourself?” I think in the current environment someone in the bottom 50% of the list is going to get completely broke off no matter what. If I’m going to have uncommutable trips paddling the canoe to PBI over and over again I might as well make way more money doing it. Rotation construction and QOL with either improve or I’ll bail to WB FO when I’m senior enough for it to make sense.
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Old 05-12-2022, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15 View Post
Exactly. 1000 hours of part 121 time required, and 500 hours at Delta.

“If the mins weren’t good enough, they wouldn’t be the mins.”
Is 500 at DL required? I only saw the extra OE for those with less than 3 years and1,000 at DL.
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Old 05-12-2022, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TheAviator10 View Post
I’m really curious about the background of that junior upgrader. As a new hire I would NOT feel ready to sit left seat that quickly, even with prior 121 experience. Perhaps if I had already been in the left seat of the same jet previously… but still. I’d want some time to learn the DAL way of doing things for a while.
meh, I was thinking the same thing when I got here (former RJ CA) but after a few months you get used to how DL does things. I really don’t think it’s a big deal on the NBs. (Especially the 220 and 717, but I understand this was the 73)

WATRS is not too difficult once you have seen it a couple times and other than some near international stuff, it really isn’t that different.
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Old 05-12-2022, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by flyinthrew View Post
Some people say “why do that to yourself?” I think in the current environment someone in the bottom 50% of the list is going to get completely broke off no matter what. If I’m going to have uncommutable trips paddling the canoe to PBI over and over again I might as well make way more money doing it. Rotation construction and QOL with either improve or I’ll bail to WB FO when I’m senior enough for it to make sense.
lol, okay dude. Of course you don’t regret it right now; you haven’t even started facing the ramifications of that decision. It’s absolutely not true that anyone in the bottom half of the entire Delta list will have horrible qol, because relative seniority trumps overall seniority. You’ve condemned yourself to low relative seniority now too.

Come back and report in two years from now when your schedules are still utter garbage because people keep converting in above you but your peers are sitting pretty with far better seniority and qol in the right seat of their junior fleets.

Maybe you won’t regret it, but that is not the life for me; it sounds horrific. It’s a violation of the two golden rules of being an airline pilot.
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Old 05-12-2022, 07:13 AM
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Just a question, when does captain pay start once you are awarded in this case NYC73N A? Is it upon award, training 44X or OE complete? I can't imagine having 0 121 time, having to wait a couple years (maybe) before you go to training. Does your seat lock start during that period or does that also wait till training complete. I'm new here, still trying to figure out how things work.
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Old 05-12-2022, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jaxsurf View Post
lol, okay dude. Of course you don’t regret it right now; you haven’t even started facing the ramifications of that decision. It’s absolutely not true that anyone in the bottom half of the entire Delta list will have horrible qol, because relative seniority trumps overall seniority. You’ve condemned yourself to low relative seniority now too.

Come back and report in two years from now when your schedules are still utter garbage because people keep converting in above you but your peers are sitting pretty with far better seniority and qol in the right seat of their junior fleets.

Maybe you won’t regret it, but that is not the life for me; it sounds horrific. It’s a violation of the two golden rules of being an airline pilot.

I get it. Get senior and stay senior. However, I know what I’m buying. I’ve been living it already and I can do it indefinitely. It’s not as bad as everybody says. I also know it is completely reversible if the right opportunity comes along.
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Old 05-12-2022, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotluke View Post
Just a question, when does captain pay start once you are awarded in this case NYC73N A? Is it upon award, training 44X or OE complete? I can't imagine having 0 121 time, having to wait a couple years (maybe) before you go to training. Does your seat lock start during that period or does that also wait till training complete. I'm new here, still trying to figure out how things work.
You stay in your category, and not pay protected until you get your time. Seat lock still starts at the normal time.
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Old 05-12-2022, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by flyinthrew View Post
I get it. Get senior and stay senior. However, I know what I’m buying. I’ve been living it already and I can do it indefinitely. It’s not as bad as everybody says. I also know it is completely reversible if the right opportunity comes along.
I think that knowing what you’re in for will be the biggest factor for making the best of it. And you will definitely make a boatload of money, which is not nothing!
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Old 05-12-2022, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by flyinthrew View Post
I was given a CJO before Covid and went to indoc in August 2021. I have a NYC73NA award. I have no 121 time. I was a single seat mil pilot so none of my mil time counts towards the 1000 hour requirement.

I have no regrets. I am 40 years old, and been flying for awhile. I have been a PIC in some pretty heavy situations so possibly being in that position doesn’t bother me. I have no doubts that I can handle anything the plane throws at me or the crew.

The mitigation strategy from the company is a full IQ (even though I’ve done IQ once), 47 hours of OE, and a two leg line check. I don’t think there is going to be any issues.

The one big hole I see is for the people who do have the 121 time already. I have quite a few spaces
filled in on my 121 bingo card (airborne malfunctions, de-icing in JFK, missing HR, drunk pax, SAQ airports, a really messy ground malfunction in international environment, etc), but I need to see more. I will get the chance (and obtw, there is no universe in which I’m shooting for 1000 hours of block in a year or maybe even two) They won’t get the chance AT DELTA, and that’s a threat.

Some people say “why do that to yourself?” I think in the current environment someone in the bottom 50% of the list is going to get completely broke off no matter what. If I’m going to have uncommutable trips paddling the canoe to PBI over and over again I might as well make way more money doing it. Rotation construction and QOL with either improve or I’ll bail to WB FO when I’m senior enough for it to make sense.
If somebody said a 40yr old single seat fighter guy with no 121 time took an immediate upgrade...what concern would you have? It wouldn't be technical skill/knowledge, capability to pass tests, handle emergencies, learn airplane/airspace/ops stuff etc. I expect they'd be stellar and quick to pickup all of that. The blindspot will be CRM, humility, communication, division of duties, etc. Not having a chance to be an FO and learn cockpit dynamics (good and bad), how to be a CIVILIAN leader. Hopefully you have some good social/emotional intelligence and can pickup that side quick too. Those who don't benefit the most from spending more time right seat IMO.

Anyways, best of luck!
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Old 05-12-2022, 07:57 AM
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If somebody said a 40yr old single seat fighter guy with no 121 time took an immediate upgrade...what concern would you have? It wouldn't be technical skill/knowledge, capability to pass tests, handle emergencies, learn airplane/airspace/ops stuff etc. I expect they'd be stellar and quick to pickup all of that. The blindspot will be CRM, humility, communication, division of duties, etc. Not having a chance to be an FO and learn cockpit dynamics (good and bad), how to be a CIVILIAN leader. Hopefully you have some good social/emotional intelligence and can pickup that side quick too. Those who don't benefit the most from spending more time right seat IMO.

Anyways, best of luck!
No doubt.

I can’t imagine what it would be like to deal with an AF ‘call me colonel’ type who had been awarded a captain spot after 6 months at the company. They’d be truly insufferable.
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