Ace App?
08-16-2021 | 04:00 PM
#51
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Here's another question, why doesn't DAL automate more of the trip construction process? If there are so many problems with illegally constructed rotations (most probably being honest mistakes by overworked schedulers) how about you automate it so it must follow the PWA. I think a major corporation like DAL could pull that off.
08-16-2021 | 04:37 PM
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As many as it takes, whatever the cost.
That said, much of the existing delta between CBA compliance and status quo could be caught by a good automatic review system/programs. Part of the rest could be significantly reduced by the DALPA scheduling SME's in the same rooms as the schedulers etc. The remaining could be easily reviewed by hand. If it can't be done within the existing budget, keep the 0.05% and apply it towards that.
Its unreasonable to expect 13,000 pilots to know the entire CBA in real time and properly flag everything including things that depend on a million other moving parts including other pilots's schedules and interconnected coverage sequences. PB/PR days are messed up all the time; the rolling thunder ninjas probably have that on lock, but not everyone does and some situations can get pretty esoteric. Beyond an individual pilot getting shorted, that creates in the blind errors no other pilot could possibly catch unless they are scheduling forensics experts. Its very hard to review something you should have gotten when you have no reasonable expectation to know you should have gotten it. That's 99% DALPA SME or programming review dependant.
Companies know this, and there is a built in default incentive to "deny deny deny" as there is no penalty and substantial reward for doing so. Its also the inevitable result of hard (over?) working schedulers sincerely doing their best while simultaneously trying to put out hundreds of interconnected fires at the same time. Its not all nefarious intent, nor is most of it. But errors can rapidly cascade into missed money/days off for numerous pilots down the line, directly and indirectly. If someone else doesn't get the proper PB days for example, 30 pilots down the line someone gets a trip instead of stayng home, or someone else misses a GS they had no ability to ever knew should have existed. All the errors add up to costing DALPA dues money too, so there's that.
100% compliance on RR, coverages, PB/PR and other major interconnected scheduling items should be the goal. These things should be automatically caught by computer review or manually looked at by SME's who are the ninjas that 13,000 line pilots can't ever be.
That said, much of the existing delta between CBA compliance and status quo could be caught by a good automatic review system/programs. Part of the rest could be significantly reduced by the DALPA scheduling SME's in the same rooms as the schedulers etc. The remaining could be easily reviewed by hand. If it can't be done within the existing budget, keep the 0.05% and apply it towards that.
Its unreasonable to expect 13,000 pilots to know the entire CBA in real time and properly flag everything including things that depend on a million other moving parts including other pilots's schedules and interconnected coverage sequences. PB/PR days are messed up all the time; the rolling thunder ninjas probably have that on lock, but not everyone does and some situations can get pretty esoteric. Beyond an individual pilot getting shorted, that creates in the blind errors no other pilot could possibly catch unless they are scheduling forensics experts. Its very hard to review something you should have gotten when you have no reasonable expectation to know you should have gotten it. That's 99% DALPA SME or programming review dependant.
Companies know this, and there is a built in default incentive to "deny deny deny" as there is no penalty and substantial reward for doing so. Its also the inevitable result of hard (over?) working schedulers sincerely doing their best while simultaneously trying to put out hundreds of interconnected fires at the same time. Its not all nefarious intent, nor is most of it. But errors can rapidly cascade into missed money/days off for numerous pilots down the line, directly and indirectly. If someone else doesn't get the proper PB days for example, 30 pilots down the line someone gets a trip instead of stayng home, or someone else misses a GS they had no ability to ever knew should have existed. All the errors add up to costing DALPA dues money too, so there's that.
100% compliance on RR, coverages, PB/PR and other major interconnected scheduling items should be the goal. These things should be automatically caught by computer review or manually looked at by SME's who are the ninjas that 13,000 line pilots can't ever be.
once everything in ACE is fully functional it will be much better.
08-16-2021 | 04:47 PM
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If I was as smart enough as some of the ninjas I've talked to about this I might have. It takes more mental gigahertz and hard drive space than I have. Some really bright ones who just aren't quite there yet on the book knowledge can be taught. Others like me are just dumb grunt line dogs and that's OK; I just don't want to see pilots lose out on already negotiated CBA bennies, especially when it has known cascading effects.
I don't have what it takes to be an NFL coach either, but that doesn't stop me from knowing that when you're one yard away from a win you let Marshawn Lynch have the run instead of a cutsey screen pass all day and twice on Superbowl Sunday.
As for the ACE app becoming the fully functioning error catching battle station its set out to be, I'm rooting for it.
I don't have what it takes to be an NFL coach either, but that doesn't stop me from knowing that when you're one yard away from a win you let Marshawn Lynch have the run instead of a cutsey screen pass all day and twice on Superbowl Sunday.
As for the ACE app becoming the fully functioning error catching battle station its set out to be, I'm rooting for it.
08-20-2021 | 05:11 AM
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Its easy to forget how much the contract admin volunteers do. I submitted a report and saw the line to get mine looked at: great coogily moogily. All i can say is, you're doing great work, and I'm a bit shocked how much work there is to do even though i should know better. Good luck! Appreciate you volunteering.
08-31-2021 | 09:54 AM
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Exactly. You have to ask yourself why the regular line pilot doesn't have access to this info at DAL. The only reasonable answer I can come up with is that it would cost the Co. money because more pilots would catch mistakes.
Here's another question, why doesn't DAL automate more of the trip construction process? If there are so many problems with illegally constructed rotations (most probably being honest mistakes by overworked schedulers) how about you automate it so it must follow the PWA. I think a major corporation like DAL could pull that off.
Here's another question, why doesn't DAL automate more of the trip construction process? If there are so many problems with illegally constructed rotations (most probably being honest mistakes by overworked schedulers) how about you automate it so it must follow the PWA. I think a major corporation like DAL could pull that off.
08-31-2021 | 09:58 AM
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So that's what SUSN means... No wonder!
Also, this solves one of my big gripes with the company. It made no sense those codes were locked in a vault only to be deciphered by a Rosetta Stone. It's too bad the union had to be the ones to finally release them but I'm glad they did!
Also, this solves one of my big gripes with the company. It made no sense those codes were locked in a vault only to be deciphered by a Rosetta Stone. It's too bad the union had to be the ones to finally release them but I'm glad they did!
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