It occurred to be that a couple of contracts ago the extremely loud commentariat was on the ALPA forums (until ALPA closed them down).

Then APC was all the rage (except for the rage heads on chit-chat). Ended up with an initial contract voted down, lots of LEC/MEC recalls and a better deal.

This cycle my gut sense is that it will be thrashed out on the FB forums and the APC dinosaurs will be left scratching their heads.

Most of the "niche" exploitable contract loopholes were out of sight until about 18 months ago when they really blew up. Never really saw the strategies here on APC, but I'm told there are in depth discussions on other platform forums.

IDK. I hope that the ALPA negotiation committee understands that the tiny group with the bullhorn (which wields outsized power for their numbers) understands this.

 

HARD PASS if that's all you're willing to accept for the elimination of PB days, auto accept and batch sizes. Yikes.

Also, don't negotiate in public.

 

Since cumulative inflation since the last TA has been 10%, I'd be an easy no based on the bold alone. Any raise had better be very meaningful above inflation.

And we better not reward 'reinterpretations' of PB days by giving them away. Ever. The company can't afford the quid required to give PB days back.

 

isn’t that what our annual raises in the last contract were for? We are making almost 16% more today than DOS.

if we get a deal early I’m expecting it to be structured as a certain % DOS with COLA level raises every Jan 1 after.

agreed. I’m willing to listen to proposals about PB days and AA, but they better be worth the trade, and trading for the reinterpreted value of just a vacation day would be as big of a strategic mistake as the batch size giveaway IMO.

 

while you’re at it, might as well trade ps for an immediate 15% pay increase. the locking in thing.
ironically, the fas would flip out.

 

Anyone who thinks the company is going to agree to a contract that still has auto accept is kidding themselves.

 

I completely agree, but giving up AA AND PB days for a few small clean up items and a small-ish raise is absolutely squandering negotiating capital

 

I’m good with it. I wouldn’t call 10 percent 6 months early a small raise. Follow it with another 6 percent raise at amendable date, it gets pretty signifcant.

 

i don't negotiate in public, but from the hostility and inept ability to lead from fltops since RG arrived, my price just went up a tad bit since then. They have done alot of damage to our brand and relationship between the pilot group and mgmt.

 

Funny how the PB days thing has evolved over time. First all days covered, then pilot gets to cherry pick which day covered, then must cover starting first day, then only used as vacation.

Ironically, as stated before, just paying double time (over guarantee) like line holders would make them more valuable for a majority of pilots save a minority in the WB seats.