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Old 04-07-2026 | 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
If the company didn’t decide to run the air line on premium pay, this wouldn’t be a problem and they would have reserves to use.

They choose this by deciding to stop hiring twice. This is a problem they caused and I will not give up PB days to fix their mistakes
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... They are figuring out just how much that premium was worth now that flights are cancelling over lack of crew.
And This. Now, if only someone in the C-suite would connect the dots…
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Old 04-07-2026 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes
By time off you mean working on your days off so that you can now have days off on your original days on, so a net sum of zero? (Except for the 9 hours after the trip ends)

Maybe good to shorten a reserve block, but incredible is not the word I would use to describe PB days without the banking option.
You appear to have left out the fact that the pilot still gets single pay *above* guarantee
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Old 04-07-2026 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
You appear to have left out the fact that the pilot still gets single pay *above* guarantee
His original post was only talking about time off, not discussing the extra pay.
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Old 04-07-2026 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes
His original post was only talking about time off, not discussing the extra pay.
PB/PR is not a pay reduction. The RES guarantee remains intact. You can call that "time off" all you want, but it's paid time off. And the premium pay stacks on top of it.

It's not a net sum of zero "Except for the 9 hours after the trip ends" as you said.

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Old 04-07-2026 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Verdell
PB/PR is not a pay reduction. The RES guarantee remains intact. You can call that "time off" all you want, but it's paid time off. And the premium pay stacks on top of it.

It's not a net sum of zero "Except for the 9 hours after the trip ends" as you said.
I never said anything about pay reduction, nor about the RES guarantee. His initial quote was "Getting time off throughout the month is still incredible."

You get time off throughout the month on Reserves anyways, PB days doesn't change that it just moves your time off around. That's not "incredible" to me.

If you want to add pay into it, that's a different conversation.
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Old 04-07-2026 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes
I never said anything about pay reduction, nor about the RES guarantee. His initial quote was "Getting time off throughout the month is still incredible."

You get time off throughout the month on Reserves anyways, PB days doesn't change that it just moves your time off around. That's not "incredible" to me.

If you want to add pay into it, that's a different conversation.
You clearly don't do RSV....I work much less by flying multiple shorter gs/qs throughout the month. There is a reason the company requires minimum of 3 day rsv blocks (narrowbody). Every gs/qs I do gets me down to less than 2 consecutive days of rsv later in the week. It's April and I have yet to work a trip on a rsv day.....
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Old 04-07-2026 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by smellson
It's April and I have yet to work a trip on a rsv day.....


You did work though. Still counts as work even if it's on an off day.

I haven't flown since mid March without GS/QS.

I bid reserve every month.
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Old 04-07-2026 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes
You did work though. Still counts as work even if it's on an off day.

I haven't flown since mid March without GS/QS.

I bid reserve every month.
If you bid rvs every month and still don't understand how qs/gs benefit in more time off I don't think I can help you.....
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Old 04-07-2026 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by smellson
If you bid rvs every month and still don't understand how qs/gs benefit in more time off I don't think I can help you.....
Working 2 days on your off days and then having 1 LC vs me working 3 LC days doesn't get you more time off than me. Still both working 3 days.

If you're talking about flying trips, I might get called on a 3 day trip and end up flying more days than you, but I might also not get called and and as a result fly 2 days less than you.

As I said in my last post, I haven't flown a trip in the last month and you have, so how are you flying less than me because of GS/QS?
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Old 04-07-2026 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by widget59
The big issue is that reserves don't get trip guarantee so when they pull a trip from us and hand it off to a short call reserve or a reroute or just plain noop the trip, we get zero, nothing even if we were at the airport. Happened too many times. I'm not doing it again.
Scheduling can take the trip from a reserve and give it to a short call is if the short call pilot said they could get there quicker then you. Another reason would be if they reached out to both of you at the same time and the short call pilot finally acknowledged. Reroute they can do for any reason they see fit. I've been at the airport before when the rerouted crew was also at the gate. Scheduling sent me home and let the reroute crew performed the flight. They can noop the flight for any reason but I found it mostly is because they weren't able to get a first officer in time or even flight attendants. All this worth 2 hours of suit up pay which is applied towards reserve guarantee. The only time it would benefit you is if you were over guarantee for the month and even then only 2 hours!

Anytime I've accepted a flight that reports in less than 2 hours, I am very concerned they might pull my flight. I even had one pulled as I was leaving the house, scheduling called and said they were giving it to a short call reserve. When I was back at home, scheduling calls again and says they couldn't get hold of the short call pilot and they wanted to know if I still wanted the trip. I asked what prevents you from pulling it from me again and the scheduler had the nerve to remind me that this was inverse assignment and it was not a proffer!

Don't forget this also applies to any out of base reserve awards. You could be jump seating to a different base and they may pull the trip from you. It could even result you being stranded the night and having to get a hotel on your own dime. Again, no rotation guarantee.

The bottom line and this must be in the next contract, anytime they noop or pull an assignment or award from a reserve, the reserve pilot must get paid rotation guarantee just like a line holder gets.
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